Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 24 April 2009 04:33:31PM 0 points [-]

If we shouldn't expect evidence in either case then the probability of God's existence is just the prior, right? How could P(God) be above .5? I can't imagine thinking that the existence of an omnipotent, omniscient and benevolent being who answers prayers and rewards and punishes the sins of mortals with everlasting joy or eternal punishment was a priori more likely than not.

Contradiction: answered prayers is lots of evidence.

Comment author: William 24 April 2009 04:40:19PM 0 points [-]

Only if you have some sort of information about the unanswered prayers.

Comment author: Emile 02 April 2009 08:21:57PM *  3 points [-]

I don't think it's a good heuristic, and I don't think you do either. Reversed stupidity is not intelligence, and it's more efficient to tug "sideways".

For issues that are split around 95%-5%, I wouldn't be surprised if the proportion of idiots had very little correlation to the truth of the causes.

Comment author: William 24 April 2009 03:26:53PM 0 points [-]

The assumption is that you're in a two-choice vote, where there is no way to pull the rope sideways.

Comment author: Peter_Twieg 21 April 2009 03:06:19PM 3 points [-]

"Don't believe in yourself! Believe that I believe in you!"

If you're trying to quote Gurren-Lagann here, I believe you botched the quote. "Believe in me who believes in you!" But maybe it was dubbed differently. In any case, I do find some amusement in your approvingly quoting a show which was more or less premised on a rejection of rationality. "Throw away your logic and kick reason to the curb!" I'll have to remember that for the next anti-rationalism quotes thread.

But anyways, I did like this post, although as you implicitly concede it's just one narrative of community development among many. I'm sure that there have been as many communities to have fallen due to despotic moderation or impoverished by rigid ideological guidelines as there have been ruined in the ways described in the OP. Oftentimes the "idiots" who "ruin" the comm are actually the lonely voices of reason. It's a fine line to walk, and I look forward to someday seeing a modern-day Machiavelli write a tract on "The Internet Community Moderator". Because it really is that tricky.

Comment author: William 22 April 2009 02:55:47AM 7 points [-]

On the other hand, "lonely voices of reason" are unlikely to overrun a community of idiots the way idiots can overrun a more intelligent community.

Comment author: Nominull 21 April 2009 03:08:07AM 7 points [-]

4chan is actually pretty popular, I don't know if you are aware. Somehow their lack of censorship hasn't kept them from being "fun" for millions of people.

Comment author: William 21 April 2009 04:11:51AM 4 points [-]

On the other hand, 4chan's view of "fun" includes causing epileptic seizures in others.

Comment author: JulianMorrison 20 April 2009 02:42:11AM 1 point [-]

Eh, I could read it, with some stack juggling. I can even force myself to parse the "buffalo" sentence ;-P

Comment author: William 20 April 2009 07:57:38AM 3 points [-]

You can force yourself to parse the sentence but I suspect that the part of your brain that you use to parse it is different from the one you use in normal reading and in fact closer to the part of the brain you use to solve a puzzle.

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 17 April 2009 05:19:49PM 0 points [-]

I guess that makes sense. If you have the option of choosing what the composition of your mind is.

Comment author: William 19 April 2009 03:27:44AM 0 points [-]

"Composition of my mind" is a bad phrase for it, but what I mean is that I have a collection of neurons that say "I'm a one-boxer" or similar.

Comment author: byrnema 16 April 2009 10:17:58PM *  0 points [-]

That's an unfortunate example: to the extent which economics is quantifiable, it's all differential equations... heck, marginal utility is a differential equation!

Maybe they weren't explicitly stated as differential equations but:

Once you learn the concept of a differential equation, you see differential equations all over, no matter what you do.

so it can't be helped.

Comment author: William 17 April 2009 12:48:35AM 1 point [-]

Speaking of differential equations in economics, a friend of mine has had an idea that there should be an economics textbook for mathematicians, because it annoyed him so much that they seem to dance around mathematical concepts--for example, marginal anything is clearly a derivative, although normal econ textbooks never call it that.

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 15 April 2009 11:48:07PM 0 points [-]

You didn't mention in the Newcomb's Problem article that you're a one-boxer.

As a die-hard two-boxer, perhaps someone can explain one-boxing to me. Let's say that Box A contains money to save 3 lives (if Omega thinks you'll take it only) or nothing, and Box B contains money to save 2 lives. Conditional on this being the only game Omega will ever play with you, why the hell would you take Box A only?

I suspect what all you one-boxers are doing is that you somehow believe that a scenario like this one will actually occur, and you're trying to broadcast your intent to one-box so Omega will put money in for you.

Comment author: William 16 April 2009 08:53:12PM 0 points [-]

I can choose through the composition of my mind to save 3 lives by wanting to refuse to take the money to save 2 lives. Or I can choose to save the two lives and thus not get 3 lives. Why the hell would I take both boxes?

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 16 April 2009 07:01:58PM *  0 points [-]

I think our tribe is small enough, and blatant mistakes made by commenters are rare enough, for senior members to be able to recognize the new members simply by memory, checking the commenting history on the user pages when in doubt.

Comment author: William 16 April 2009 08:17:54PM 2 points [-]

But if the tribe expands?

Comment author: PhilGoetz 14 April 2009 09:59:51PM 1 point [-]

Very interesting. Wikipedia: "Priming the public with fringe ideas intended to be and remain unacceptable, will make the real target ideas seem more acceptable by comparison." This is a slightly different strategy than the Daily Kos article describes.

What I read doesn't say this, but I think part of the Republican Overton window strategy is to have lots of loose cannons like Rush Limbaugh who state extreme positions. The Republican party can say "You naughty boy, Rush!" and disclaim everything he says, but still benefit from it.

Comment author: William 14 April 2009 10:55:37PM 2 points [-]

This also shows the dangers of such a method--if Rush gets too powerful, it goes from "You naughty boy, Rush!" to "You naughty boy, critic of Rush!", like what's happening now with respect to Michael Steele. And too much extremism can result in evaporative cooling.

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