Comment author: MBlume 14 April 2009 05:19:37AM *  0 points [-]

I can see your link in the sidebar, but not in the comment.

ETA: nm

Comment author: William 14 April 2009 09:08:37AM *  1 point [-]
Comment author: grobstein 03 April 2009 11:26:07PM -1 points [-]

Eliezer's argument, if I understand it, is that any decision-making algorithm that results in two-boxing is by definition irrational due to giving a predictably bad outcome.

So he's assuming the conclusion that you get a bad outcome? Golly.

Comment author: William 03 April 2009 11:31:02PM 1 point [-]

The result of two-boxing is a thousand dollars. The result of one-boxing is a million dollars. By definition, a mind that always one-boxes receives a better payout than one that always two-boxes, and therefore one-boxing is more rational, by definition.

Comment author: William 03 April 2009 03:09:31PM *  13 points [-]

Personally, I think the word "win" might be the problem. Winning is very binary, which isn't how rationality is defined. Perhaps "Rationalists maximize"?

In response to Church vs. Taskforce
Comment author: Annoyance 28 March 2009 03:26:25PM 1 point [-]

"But religion does fill certain holes in people's minds, some of which are even worth filling."

Are they? There is such a thing as a Fruitful Void. God is used as a placeholder to stop questioning and abolish uncertainty. Those are very valuable absences.

Comment author: William 29 March 2009 06:14:08AM 4 points [-]

The use of "some of which" suggests that he considers most of the holes to be Fruitful Voids, merely not all of them.

Comment author: gwern 29 March 2009 01:42:32AM 6 points [-]

Whoa now. Wikis aren't just about compiling neutral encyclopedia articles or FAQs or things of that nature. Remember that the original wiki was all about contentious (programming) discussions & ideas.

In response to comment by gwern on Church vs. Taskforce
Comment author: William 29 March 2009 05:04:01AM 7 points [-]

Agreed. TVTropes works very well without any but the lightest semblance of neutrality.

Warning, though: It is horrendously addictive

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 28 March 2009 04:34:27AM 13 points [-]

IAWYC but the two statements should not sound exactly alike, they should sound exactly as convincing. If they were both true, then the first form would be more poetic and better-written than the second, but still should not sound any more convincing.

Comment author: William 29 March 2009 04:52:24AM 2 points [-]

What does IAWYC mean?

Comment author: Demosthenes 29 March 2009 03:35:12AM 4 points [-]

In his youth, Steve Jobs went to India to be enlightened. After seeing that the nation claiming to be the source of this great spiritual knowledge was full of hunger, ignorance, squalor, poverty, prejudice, and disease, he came back and said that the East should look to the West for enlightenment.

....or maybe the quotation and by extension the entire comment were meant to suggest that traditionally materialist concerns like sanitation, wealth and longevity are more deserving of the title enlightenment and than our categorizing of enlightenment to only mean the spirit is not entirely accurate. Expressing wonder at reductionist, material understanding of the universe shouldn't be new to this crowd. Expressing value judgements do not a dark art make.

...or maybe it meant to ignore all Indian claims to enlightenment....

There is a lot of nonsense on OB and LW about separating content from style; the occasional attempts to translate into positivist verifiable claims or examples of Dark Arts often say more about the person doing the translating than illuminating the text for the reader.

Yvain obviously interpreted this in a very specific way. Yvain has a good basis for asking Phil to clarify the issues. These sorts of things are more valuable as discussions and instead it was turned into a broadcast.

This is not a criticism, but just a suggestion that the world of give-and-take, persuasion and rebuttal can be a lot more valuable than posting an instantiation of meaning for the comment that is highly suspect at best.

Comment author: William 29 March 2009 04:51:17AM 4 points [-]

As a sidenote, it's a very good sign that this discussion has followed the path of

Case studies in medicine are most interesting when all the student doctors disagree with each other.

Comment author: talisman 25 March 2009 02:57:01AM *  11 points [-]

The fear and hatred of gambling. Contra Tyler Cowen, betting your beliefs is one of the best paths to both individual and group rationality. You should be doing it twice a day, like brushing your teeth. The beliefs that don't get bet get cavities and rot; the beliefs that are unbettable create unbreakable deadlocks that later require ophtalmological intervention. Bet!

Comment author: William 27 March 2009 01:36:10AM 3 points [-]

One warning though: Gambler's ruin is very possible with betting systems, even if your strategy has a positive expected value.

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