Comment author: Douglas_Knight 06 January 2014 10:37:31PM 4 points [-]

No, it doesn't depend on how you define "children." People get continually better at learning second languages, up at least to age 16. For every aspect of language (except accent) that people have measured, older people learn faster. Forget your anecdotes and read the literature.

Comment author: Zaine 07 January 2014 09:06:50AM 1 point [-]

Would this include humans less than four years of age?

Comment author: [deleted] 04 January 2014 04:16:08PM 0 points [-]

your body must maintain a faster metabolism in order to keep your temperature at equilibrium

It only takes 35 kilocalories to warm one litre of water from 2 °C to 37 °C.

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Comment author: Zaine 07 January 2014 08:51:01AM 0 points [-]

Thanks - that's quite useful.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 02 November 2013 08:53:31PM 28 points [-]

(Repost of an old message I sent to SL4 in 2003.)

Usually, like everyone, I forget my dreams. When I'm suddenly woken up, for example, by an alarm clock or by my cellphone ringing, it seems - I'm not quite sure if this is what is happening, but it's the explanation that seems most likely - it seems as if the last fifteen seconds of mental imagery are still "in my loop" when I wake up, so I remember them too, just as if they were lucid.

So the memory I actually have is of waking up, and then five seconds or fifteen seconds later, the phone rings. With an experience like that, it's easy to see why anyone less than a dedicated rationalist would assume psychic powers; "Oh, look, I become lucid fifteen seconds before the phone rings, I must be psychic".

Sometimes I'll even apparently remember that I have a dream in which an alarm goes off in my dream, which wakes me up, and then five seconds later the alarm goes off.

One needs to have done quite a lot of reading in cognitive science before one looks at that and says, "Timing fault in memory formation - yes, the brain really is that fragile", and not "I had a precognitive dream."

This led me to ponder the problem of dream memories and personal continuity. I now remember having experiences that I would not remember if I had not been woken up by an alarm clock; I remember those apparently lucid dream experiences, and those "inserted" memories, as if they were part of my ordinary life continuity. What happens to the person who experiences the dreams I have and don't remember? Did I really experience the dream of the alarm going off, or was the memory manufactured and inserted without ever being experienced? Are all dreams manufactured and inserted without ever being experienced?

This is where we stand at the moment I had my anthropic dream.

My cellphone rang and woke me up. I apparently remembered becoming lucid in my dream a few seconds before the cellphone woke me. And my "inserted" dream experience leading up to the cellphone ringing was the thought:

"If I don't wake up now, this experience will not have existed in retrospect. Therefore, since I'm now having this experience, something will wake me up."

Now, what this feels like is this:

You're dreaming, and your dream turns lucid, and you think to yourself: "If I don't wake up now, this experience won't have existed in retrospect. Therefore, since I'm having this experience, something will wake me up."

And then, a moment later, the cellphone rings and wakes you up.

The illusion of a spooky anthropic effect was very strong.

Comment author: Zaine 06 November 2013 01:49:57AM 0 points [-]

Did your eyelids have a view of a lit clock?

Comment author: octopocta 14 October 2013 06:51:50PM 8 points [-]

We make it up as we go along :)

Basically my wife and I ask ourselves "What is the next thing to learn, or what do the kids need to review?" Our very broad curriculum for math is operations in order, from addition to exponents and logarithms, with learning and graphing functions that use that operation at the same time. So, when they learn addition they learn linear functions and line graphing, curves when they learn exponents, etc. Then fractions and decimals, because you need to understand fractions to understand the unit circle, which is the basis for angles and therefore geometry and trig. Reading is easiest: make them read and discuss harder books than they read last week. Writing is similarly straightforward, though there we reach rhetorical techniques when we do persuasive writing, meter when we write poetry, etc. History we are doing linearly, and trying emphasize the history of technological progression and cultural progression over dates and names. For example, kids should know what the difference between neolithic and paleolithic societies is, or what the limitations of bronze tooling are. We also do a lot of timelines, so the kids know about the different states of various societies at the same time in history.

Finally, the best thing about this approach is that you can get your teachers to suggest things that would work well in your curriculum, or related areas that should be taught together. If you ever get anxious about missing something you can look up your local curriculum standards, though most often these will just show you how ridiculously ahead of public school the kids are.

Comment author: Zaine 14 October 2013 07:15:49PM 2 points [-]

Thank you! I'm curious what they do in their free time: do they have creative hobbies, how do they socialise, what do your kids and their friends think of your kids' schooling, etc.

What are your thoughts regarding languages, for both human and computer interaction?

Thank you again for sharing!

Comment author: octopocta 10 October 2013 08:15:04PM 30 points [-]

Do what Harry's dad in HPMOR does: hire local grad students to be homeschool tutors. I do this for my 6 year old and 9 year old, and it is awesome. We parents do very high-level curriculum, taking about half an hour each week, and the tutors and kids do the rest. Teach at the kids' pace, choose material and progressions that make sense to you (or make sense to him), and have constant contact with teachers. I've found $20/hour is an attractive wage for most PhD students, and their expertise means that the barrage of "why?" questions the kids ask can actually be answered, often with current research findings. We've found we can cover 2 to 4 times the material in public school curriculum, and school is from 9 to 2. Also, you can do reasonable things like teach radians before degrees, graphing and functions along with each operation, foreign languages with native speakers, and Greek and Roman roots starting in kindergarten.

Comment author: Zaine 12 October 2013 02:15:48PM 9 points [-]

If you wouldn't mind, please share either your curricula or the method used to design it - whichever is most generally applicable.

Comment author: James_Miller 11 October 2013 02:20:41AM 2 points [-]

Thanks! He doesn't attend the Davidson school, but is a member of the organization.

Comment author: Zaine 11 October 2013 04:26:10AM 1 point [-]

Hope it helps! Does that mean he has access to Academy resources, and could attend should he wish it?

Comment author: DanielLC 11 October 2013 02:23:35AM 1 point [-]

You know, this is the third time I've seen Harry shipped with McGonagall.

Comment author: Zaine 11 October 2013 04:10:31AM -1 points [-]

Never seriously, I hope. I have yet to stop laughing.

Comment author: RolfAndreassen 10 October 2013 11:07:56PM 15 points [-]

[W]hat other popular internet phenomena can be co-opted for this purpose.

The Internet is, of course, for porn, so... rationalist erotica?

Comment author: Zaine 11 October 2013 01:11:38AM *  0 points [-]

I decided to delete the text of my first comment, as it dealt with what sex by rationalists would look like, rather than erotica fantasising rational decision making; the first is available upon request.

Minerva couldn't remember the last time she'd felt this nervous. She'd redone her hair knot at least twice now, and she still couldn't tear herself away from the mirror. Half of her wanted to be convinced it was out of respect for the man. That half was a dirty liar. Almost as dirty as her thoughts of the last hour.

A knock came at the door.

"Enter, please."

The way he derived partial transfiguration by extrapolating observable reality to its logical conclusions was just so sexy.

Comment author: James_Miller 10 October 2013 12:17:06AM 3 points [-]

He is in Davidson Academy and finished DragonBox. He is fine with either type of instruction.

Comment author: Zaine 10 October 2013 10:04:56PM *  7 points [-]

I'll brainstorm suggestions, then.

  • Ask him if there's a language he'd like to learn. If there is, provide him materials to learn the basics (grammar, alphabet, fundamentals) and promise to send him to a language school that immerses you for x months during a break.

  • Ask him if he'd like tutored instruction in a subject; if he would, then, as others suggest, enslave a grad student.

  • Gift him a "Learn X the Hard Way" book. Alternatives include Real Python; I don't know what else they include.

  • Ask him if he has any life goals. If they are scientific in origin, take the goals seriously, lay out some milestones that might help in achieving them, and utilise Davidson's resources for all they're worth (including people).

  • Ask if he'd like to learn an instrument and/or how to sing, with instruction in music theory being another option. Accommodate.

  • Ask if he'd like to learn a martial art, and if he has any preferences. You could ask him this after taking him to a demonstration of the Shaolin Monks. If he has an interest in oriental languages, instruction in the language he's learning offers a practical immersive environment.

  • Have family writing competitions - everyone writes a brief story together by candlelight for a set period of time. Comment on the stories afterwards, and everyone can vote on a favourite should they have one.

  • Offer instruction in Go.

  • See if you can work out a way to direct all his instruction in the classes that bore him towards producing something of value. In the humanities, this could amount to historical fiction set in the learnt time period, limericks about the mechanics of Linguistics, or analytical essays (should he like that sort of thing). In maths, challenge him to derive established proofs himself without telling him the proof beforehand, or teach with the frame of covering the knowledge necessary for solving a current problem in mathematics. In science, tell a story of the scientist who ran a particularly important experiment, or set of experiments; inform him what the scientist observed, and ask him to design an experiment testing that observation with varying aims. You could also just tell the story, if the one teaching is a good enough storyteller (exempli gratia Seven Ideas that Shook the Universe, by Spielberg and Anderson - although it doesn't actually teach the subjects).

  • Give him a yet-to-be assembled computer with a completely empty drive, books on how computers work, books on how software communicates with computers, and let him play.

  • Teach him skills known by the people he's studying, but not us, concurrent with his studies of those people: calligraphy, perspective art, court decorum, honorifics, hunting for sustenance, foraging, needlework, thread and wool weaving, soap creation, candle creation, paper manufacture, eyeglass manufacture, architecture, sailing, letter-writing, mercury ingestion, plague avoidance, honour, swordsmanship, fear of the inquisition, etc.

I'm curious - Davidson markets itself as solving boring instruction; what about it does he find uninteresting?

Comment author: Zaine 09 October 2013 11:16:42PM *  4 points [-]

There's the Davidson Academy.

If he hasn't learned algebra yet, get him DragonBox; I'd be curious to learn whether he prefers explicit instruction.

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