Comment author: adamzerner 21 December 2015 04:41:37AM *  0 points [-]

If these extreme emotions are indeed useful, then maybe we should look to explicitly seek them out (depending on whether we think we're below the optimal level of the emotion in question).

  • To generate the ups, maybe it'd be a good idea to hang out with friends, get drunk, and dream about ambitious ideas. Only focusing on the happy paths. Well, people already do this but I guess my point is that maybe it should be done more often and more explicitly.
  • I'm not sure how the downs would be generated.

Thoughts on the usefulness of these emotions:

  • I agree that the ups are useful (motivation, communicate your excitement...). There are downsides like overconfidence, but I think these downsides are usually outweighed by the benefits.
  • As for the downs, my impression is that a lot of the time it just makes people lethargic and doesn't really motivate change. But then there are times when they do motivate change. It seems that people experience more than the optimal level of "downs". You could make the point that this is because people don't handle the downs well, but even if they were better handled I'm still bearish on the value of downs.
  • (I spent over a year working on a startup that failed and went through these emotions.)

To anyone who hasn't seen it, Inside Out is a movie that is relevant to this talk about the usefulness of "ups" and "downs".

Comment author: AlexMennen 12 December 2015 12:26:44AM *  14 points [-]

From their website, it looks like they'll be doing a lot of deep learning research and making the results freely available, which doesn't sound like it would accelerate Friendly AI relative to AI as a whole. I hope they've thought this through.

Edit: It continues to look like their strategy might be counterproductive. [Edited again in response to this.]

Comment author: adamzerner 12 December 2015 04:46:36PM 0 points [-]

Maybe the apparent incompetence is a publicity game, and the do actually know what they're doing?

Comment author: ChristianKl 25 November 2015 05:17:18PM -1 points [-]

'Say' is usually a word that refers to verbal experssion.

Are you saying that you do have "X is more likely to be true" as a voice in your head?

Comment author: adamzerner 25 November 2015 08:51:26PM *  0 points [-]

Are you saying that you do have "X is more likely to be true" as a voice in your head?

Yes.

Comment author: ChristianKl 25 November 2015 03:25:55PM -1 points [-]

I asked what you do and you said something that's not what you do.

In my model most people don't explicitely update at all but let their brains shift beliefs in the way the brain is accustomed to do.

Comment author: adamzerner 25 November 2015 04:48:32PM *  0 points [-]

I asked what you do and you said something that's not what you do.

You asked what mental operation I do. In my head, I do say "X is more likely to be true".

Comment author: ChristianKl 25 November 2015 10:10:31AM -1 points [-]

You mean you move your mouth and those words come out?

Comment author: adamzerner 25 November 2015 02:08:50PM 0 points [-]

(I apologize if I'm not understanding your point/question.)

As for what words I actually speak, sometimes I say something along the lines of along the lines of "It's ok, your intuition still means something".

Comment author: ChristianKl 24 November 2015 10:46:39PM 1 point [-]

I do update

What does that mean in practice? What mental operation do you do?

Comment author: adamzerner 24 November 2015 11:19:37PM 1 point [-]

I say, "X is more likely to be true".

Comment author: ChristianKl 24 November 2015 06:00:17PM 1 point [-]

Do you go through an explicit updating procedure on a regular basis in conversations like that? I don't and I think most people don't.

Comment author: adamzerner 24 November 2015 09:15:56PM 2 points [-]

When someone says that they believe X but can't explain why, I do update. As for how I update, it isn't much more than querying my intuition to see what they're track record is in similar contexts.

Comment author: Jurily 17 November 2015 03:25:36PM 0 points [-]

I predict that if the Pope declares Jesus is God, there will be more worlds in which Jesus is God than worlds in which Jesus is merely the son of God.

If a statement does not say anything about observable reality, there is no objective truth to be determined.

Comment author: adamzerner 17 November 2015 07:50:50PM 1 point [-]

Fair point. I agree that "I have a gut feeling about something non-observable" is a possibility. But so is "I have a gut feeling about something that is observable".

Comment author: Jurily 17 November 2015 01:54:54PM -1 points [-]

The claim is not observable in any way and offers no testable predictions or anything that even remotely sounds like advice. It's unprovable because it doesn't talk about objective reality.

Comment author: adamzerner 17 November 2015 02:13:02PM 0 points [-]

Which claim? As for the claim that one's intuition is evidence, I predict that in worlds where someone with a good track record has an intuitive belief, the belief will be true more than it will be false.

Comment author: ike 17 November 2015 04:31:24AM 2 points [-]

You shouldn't say, "Well, if you can't provide any evidence, you shouldn't believe what you do."

There are at least two justifications I can think of for this.

  1. A reductio: basically saying "since you do believe X, you must have some evidence, so see if you can figure out what it is". This can start a discussion on how not all evidence is definite/based on statistics etc.
  2. If they don't have a good track record, then you're trying to influence them to drop the belief because of lack of evidence (this rarely works, unfortunately).
Comment author: adamzerner 17 November 2015 05:13:10AM *  0 points [-]

I agree with your second point. If your intuition has proven to be false more than true (in a given context), then the intuition your brain produces would be evidence that the intuition is wrong (sorry if that was poorly worded).

As for the first point, I agree that it'd be nice to make an attempt to figure out what it is, but if the attempt fails, I don't think the observation that "Person X reports an intuitive belief that Y is true" should be ignored as evidence.

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