Comment author: B_For_Bandana 26 December 2013 04:39:36PM 14 points [-]

Because each step in the food chain involves energy loss, the shorter the chain, the fewer plants need to be killed to support you. Thus being a vegetarian saves plant lives too.

Comment author: aelephant 29 December 2013 02:14:06AM 1 point [-]

Actually grazing cattle don't kill plants, they just trim off the ends.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 25 December 2013 08:41:39PM 7 points [-]

Plants and intelligence-- plants do a lot more problem-solving than you might think.

Comment author: aelephant 26 December 2013 02:52:37AM 1 point [-]

And yet those horrible vegetarians continue to murder & eat these sentient lifeforms!

Comment author: bramflakes 16 December 2013 11:14:30PM 5 points [-]

I'm trying to cut down on soda intake. I've gone down from 1 bottle of coke per day down to maybe 3 cans per week. However, I do work night shifts at a bar so there's the temptation to sneak a glass or two from the taps for the caffeine boost, to get me through the night.

Comment author: aelephant 17 December 2013 01:47:39AM 14 points [-]

If it is just the caffeine you want, why not get some caffeine pills? Virtually no calories & lightyears better for your teeth.

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 24 October 2013 09:24:40AM *  4 points [-]

That's like saying that being a computer programmer is immoral, because if everyone would become a computer programmer, no one would cultivate food, and within a month the humanity would vanish.

It's possible to make a more complex algorithm saying that those who have a comparative advantage in computer programming should become computer programmers and those who have a comparative advantage in cultivating food should cultivate food. This way humanity can survive.

Analogically we should be thinking about consequences of a world where people with a comparative advantage in donating don't have children and instead donate the money to efficient charities, and some other people have children and ensure that humanity survives. -- There are some things that could go wrong in that scenario, but it's not that trivially wrong.

(Also, it is important to note that most people don't behave according to Kant's rules, so even a strategy that would maximize global utility if everyone used it, is not necessarily the global utility maximizing choice for an individual in real life.)

EDIT: I am not deeply familiar with Kant's philosophy. It just seems to me that it makes sense to seek an algorithm that maximizes global utility when used by everyone, but it would be stupid to require that the algorithm produce the same output for everyone. If two people have different comparative advantages, they can both use an algorithm "do what is your comparative advantage and trade with the other person", and yet their behavior will not be identical. Children are valuable, in my opinion; the topic of this discussion is that maybe some people can create a lot more value by doing something else.

Comment author: aelephant 24 October 2013 11:51:50AM 1 point [-]

From Daniel's post, it seems like the categorical imperative defines whether some behavior could be considered morally required, not whether a particular behavior is immoral. Being a computer programmer couldn't be morally required of everyone, but that doesn't mean that it is immoral for some people to be computer programmers.

Comment author: Daniel_Burfoot 23 October 2013 04:23:07PM -1 points [-]

Kant's Categorical Imperative is directly applicable to this problem.

Comment author: aelephant 23 October 2013 11:30:58PM 0 points [-]

Can you expand on that a bit?

Comment author: aelephant 07 October 2013 11:52:49PM 0 points [-]

Will Kim Dotcom be there?

Comment author: passive_fist 08 September 2013 09:47:04PM 0 points [-]

But what if you could obtain the nutrients available in vegetables through other means?

Comment author: aelephant 09 September 2013 12:04:14AM *  2 points [-]

Doesn't have the same effect. There was a study where they gave one group Vitamin C & one group ate oranges. The group that got the Vitamin C had no change in Antioxidant activity; only the orange-eating group saw the benefit. Probably there are some other factors involved that we just haven't figured out yet. Eventually maybe reductionism will solve this one, but it hasn't yet.

Here's an article about the study in case I remembered incorrectly: http://www.nature.com/news/2007/070416/full/news070416-15.html

Comment author: kgalias 08 September 2013 07:34:08PM 3 points [-]

Per the vegetables question: what should I eat?

Comment author: aelephant 09 September 2013 12:01:34AM 0 points [-]

What vegetables should you eat?

Dark green ones seem to have more nutritional content in general, but yellow, orange, & red vegetables are typically good sources of Vitamin A & some other pigment-like compounds that might not be in large amounts in the green ones.

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 08 September 2013 11:44:23PM *  3 points [-]

Instructors differ significantly from one another in terms of their quality of teaching (human capital + consumption value) and ease of grading (signaling). I'm curious here about the extent to which LessWrong readers think variation between instructors for similar courses compares to variation between institutions. For instance, how much does variation between instructors at Harvard compare with variation between UCLA and Harvard?

I had a few great professors (e.g. this guy), and mostly good ones, at De Anza College, a community college in Cupertino, California, to the point where I was a bit disappointed after transferring to UC Berkeley.

Comment author: aelephant 08 September 2013 11:57:00PM 2 points [-]

I had an Organic Chemistry teacher at the small community college in my home town that blew away my big university's Medicinal Chemistry prof. The big university prof was tenured & could treat his students as abusively as he desired without any fear of significant consequences.

Comment author: Jiro 06 September 2013 10:18:00PM -1 points [-]

By this reasoning, if the child is 5 years old but the world is going to be hit by an asteroid tomorrow, unavoidably killing everyone, it would be okay to be cruel to the child.

To save the original idea, I'd suggest modifying it to distinguish between having impaired ability to come to agreements and not having the ability to come to agreements. Children are generally in the former category, at least if they can speak and reason. This extends to more than just children; you shouldn't take advantage of someone who's stupid, but you can "take advantage" of the fact that a stick of broccoli doesn't understand what it means to be eaten and can't run away anyway.

In response to comment by Jiro on Why Eat Less Meat?
Comment author: aelephant 06 September 2013 11:05:56PM 0 points [-]

Right. Like I said, I find it hard to come up with a good argument. I don't like arguments that extend things into the future, because everything has to get all probabilistic. Is it possible to prove that any particular child is going to grow into an adult? Nope.

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