Comment author: Davidmanheim 02 February 2015 08:46:20PM 8 points [-]

"Suppose you ask your friend Naomi to roll a die without letting you see the result... Having rolled the die Naomi must write down the result on a piece of paper (without showing you) and place it in an envelope...

So some people are happy to accept that there is genuine uncertainty about the number before it is thrown (because its existence is ‘not a fact’), but not after it is thrown. This is despite the fact that our knowledge of the number after it is thrown is as incomplete as it was before."

  • Risk Assessment and Decision Analysis with Bayesian Networks, Norman Fenton and Martin Neil, Chapter 1
Comment author: anandjeyahar 03 February 2015 06:59:27AM 2 points [-]

Ah.... "genuine uncertainty" the term reminds me of "no true scotsman argument". My point being, there's an uncertainty reduction before and after the die was rolled, not to say this means, I should update my belief about the die's rolled/winning value.

Simply put my friend Naomi's beliefs have been updated and uncertainty in her mind has been eliminated. I think the author was trying to point out that most people conflate the two differences. It definitely is well worded for rhetoric, but not for pedagogy(in Feynman sense).

Meetup : Bangalore LWers meetup

1 anandjeyahar 25 January 2015 05:25AM

Discussion article for the meetup : Bangalore LWers meetup

WHEN: 07 February 2015 11:00:00AM (+0530)

WHERE: Bangalore, Karnataka, India

And here's the meetup link and details for the month of february. Incidentally(we stick to 2nd saturday of the month), it coincides with valentine's day. See the meetup link for agenda/plan, location and time details. http://www.meetup.com/Bangalore-LessWrongers-Meetup/events/220047394/

Discussion article for the meetup : Bangalore LWers meetup

Comment author: anandjeyahar 10 January 2015 05:33:19PM 1 point [-]

I don't know about this idea. For most of my career, I've tried to be sidekick in the sense of trying to fulfill someone else's goals with say a secondary goal of mine that ties in to that primary goal, but it has always ended up in conflicts, where I couldn't simply bring myself to ignore the hero's stance/decision(and still work with him/her). Is that a good enough reason to try to be a hero? This post still resonates with me, but that doesn't mean am about to go around hero's for whom I can be a sidekick. Majority of the empirical evidence that I've (personal experience) accumulated suggests, that won't really work.

May be the distinction is not as sharp as you think/believe it is?

Comment author: 27chaos 06 January 2015 06:21:10PM 2 points [-]

The increasing entropy rule seems irrelevant, as planet Earth is not a closed system.

Comment author: anandjeyahar 09 January 2015 01:05:23PM 1 point [-]

You are right. I was guilty of repeating from memory an oversimplified quote. The wikipedia page points out that it was misworded quote by Rudolf Clausius. Thanks for pointing out.

Comment author: James_Miller 01 January 2015 03:06:23AM 21 points [-]

With the information age the world looks uglier, dirtier, more corrupt, scheming, mostly because the malicious was hidden from us before.

Nassim Taleb, Twitter

Comment author: anandjeyahar 01 January 2015 06:52:26AM *  2 points [-]

This is something, I find a lot of people don't realize(by virtue of never testing their boundaries). It's not that the universe* has become suddenly maleficient, it was indifferent / mildly maleficient(think increasing entropy rule, if you prefer), we just didn't realize it and it's getting harder to ignore.

*-- Edit Clarification: Universe - Humans. (- being set difference here.)

Meetup : Bangalore Meetup

1 anandjeyahar 26 December 2014 05:15PM

Discussion article for the meetup : Bangalore Meetup

WHEN: 10 January 2015 11:02:00AM (+0530)

WHERE: Central Mall, MG road, bangalore

1st meetup of then new year for less wrongers in bangalore. Let's use the meetup.com page for co-ordinating. http://www.meetup.com/Bangalore-LessWrongers-Meetup/events/219133638/. And here's a mailing list. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/bangalore-lesswrongers

Discussion article for the meetup : Bangalore Meetup

Comment author: Kawoomba 16 December 2014 12:40:48PM *  0 points [-]

"Why are you in the hospital?" - "Because I was injured when a car hit me."

"Why did the car hit you?" - "Because the driver was drunk and I was standing at the intersection."

"Why was the driver drunk?" and "Why were you standing at the intersection?" and so on and so forth.

Every "why" question about something occurring in the natural world is answered by going one (or more) levels down in the granularity, describing one high-level phenomenon via its components, typically lower-level phenomena.

This isn't unlike deriving one corollary from another. You're climbing back* the derivation tree towards the axioms, so to speak. It's the same in any system, the math analogy would be if someone asked you "why does this corollary hold", which you'd answer by tracing it back to the nearest theorem. Then "why does this theorem hold" would be answered by describing its lower-level* lemmata. Back we go, ever towards the axioms.

All these are more aptly described as "how"-questions, "how" is the scientific question, since what we're doing is finding descriptions, not reasons, in some sense.

Of course you could just solve such distinctions via dictionary and then in daily usage use "why" and "how" interchangeably, which is fine. But it's illuminating to notice the underlying logic.

Which leaves as the only truly distinct "why"-question the "why those axioms?", which in the real world is typically phrased as "why anything at all?". Krauss tries to reduce that to a "how" question in A Universe From Nothing, as does the Tegmark multiverse, which doesn't work except snuggling in one more descriptive layer in front of the axioms.

There is a good case to be made that this one remaining true "why"-question, which does not reduce to merely some one-level-lower description, is actually ill-formed and doesn't make sense. The territory just provides us with evidence, the model we build to compress that evidence implicitly surmises the existence of underlying axioms in the territory. But why bother with that single remaining "Why"-question when the answer is forever outside our reach?

*(We know real trees are upside down, unlike these strange biological things in that strange place outside our window.)

Comment author: anandjeyahar 17 December 2014 12:42:12PM -1 points [-]

There is a good case to be made that this one remaining true "why"-question, which does not reduce to merely some one-level-lower description, is actually ill-formed and doesn't make sense.

Am Douglas Adams on this one. 42 is the answer, we don't know the question. Seriously, though I've gotten to a stage where I don't wonder much about the one 'why' axiom anymore*. Thanks for the clarification though.

*-- Used to wonder some 10 years ago though.

Comment author: Kawoomba 16 December 2014 12:57:48AM 0 points [-]

"Why" usually resolves to "how" (if not always (in the physical world), with one notable exception).

Comment author: anandjeyahar 16 December 2014 06:12:51AM 0 points [-]

eventually the truth/reality/answer is indifferent to the phrasing of the question (as why/how). I do think phrasing it as how makes it easier to answer(in the instrumental sense) than why. Also what is the exception, am not aware of it, please point me.

Comment author: ike 15 December 2014 08:01:40PM 4 points [-]

The situation is far worse than that. At least a compiled program you can: add more memory or run it on a faster computer, disassemble the code and see at which step things go wrong, rewind if there's a problem, interface with programs you've written, etc. If compiled programs really were that bad, hackers would have already won (as security researchers wouldn't be able to take apart malware), drm would work, no emulators for undocumented devices would exist.

The state of the mind is many orders of magnitude worse.

Also, I'd quibble with "we don't know why". The word I'd use is how. We know why, perhaps not in detail (although we sort of know how, in even less detail.)

Comment author: anandjeyahar 16 December 2014 06:10:10AM 0 points [-]

Ah.. a compiled program running on limited computing resources(memory, cpu etc..). I kinda think the metaphor assumes that implicitly. Perhaps it results in a leaky abstraction for most others(i.e: not working with computers), but i don't really see it as a problem.

Agree 'how' is more accurate than why.

Comment author: anandjeyahar 16 December 2014 06:06:27AM 8 points [-]

But, as compiler optimizations exploit increasingly recondite properties of the programming language definition, we find ourselves having to program as if the compiler were our ex-wife’s or ex-husband’s divorce lawyer, lest it introduce security bugs into our kernels, as happened with FreeBSD a couple of years back with a function erroneously annotated as noreturn, and as is happening now with bounds checks depending on signed overflow behavior.

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