Comment author: arbimote 18 June 2010 10:40:10AM *  2 points [-]

EDIT: The original post now has updated times and links, so refer to that instead.

Here are links to the times suggested, for convenience:

I'd suggest posting meeting times using timeanddate.com, to help avoid confusion about time zones and daylight savings.

Comment author: red75 18 June 2010 03:18:17AM *  2 points [-]

It seems we have just one rule to eliminate variables: substitution. For example, given A=BC and BCD=E, we can eliminate BC by substituting A for BC in BCD=E. Thus, we must have equation !A=X to get to B!A=!A, and to get to !A=X we must have !A=Y, and so on.

So it seems impossible in given axiomatic system to derive B!A=!A from !B=AD. Am I missing something?

EDIT: Here I take axioms in 1.12 as a basis for proposition calculus and I don't use any interpretation of them.

Comment author: arbimote 18 June 2010 10:01:57AM *  1 point [-]

Perhaps what is missing is these rules:

AT = A (1)

AF = F (2)

A + T = T (3)

A + F = A (4)

Which can be derived from the given axioms, apparently. I'm not sure if some necessary axioms were omitted.

Using some of these, here's one way to derive B!A=!A from !B=AD:

!B = AD

!B + A = AD + A

!B + A = AD + AT (1)

!B + A = A(D + T) (Distributivity)

!B + A = AT (3)

!B + A = A (1)

!!B!A = !A (Duality)

B!A = !A

Comment author: Morendil 09 June 2010 05:02:00PM *  6 points [-]

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Comment author: arbimote 10 June 2010 03:00:28PM 0 points [-]

I'm in.

In response to What is bunk?
Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 08 May 2010 06:48:42PM *  11 points [-]

It should be an established standard to link to the previous posts on the same topic. This is necessary to actually build upon existing work, and not just create blogging buzz. In this case, the obvious reference is The Correct Contrarian Cluster, and also probably That Magical Click and Reason as memetic immune disorder.

Comment author: arbimote 09 May 2010 06:55:05AM 1 point [-]

Post also mentioned Tolerate Tolerance

Comment author: arbimote 17 April 2010 06:00:03PM *  6 points [-]

Hi.

I registered and started posting a while back, but since then have reverted to lurking. Partly due to not having time, but I can also identify with reasons some others have given.

Comment author: RobinZ 12 March 2010 12:35:49PM 0 points [-]

This is an off-topic reply.

Comment author: arbimote 13 March 2010 04:50:28AM -1 points [-]

Voted down for being off-topic.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 17 February 2010 11:16:47PM 1 point [-]

I'm not sure about this, but I think that if you can specify and check a Friendly AI that well, you can build it.

Comment author: arbimote 18 February 2010 01:10:17AM 5 points [-]

Verifying a proof is quite a bit simpler that coming up with the proof in the first place.

Comment author: Alicorn 05 February 2010 05:02:07AM 1 point [-]

I've noticed this too. It is one of several annoying problems that would evaporate if votes weren't anonymous.

Comment author: arbimote 06 February 2010 12:09:05PM 0 points [-]

Perhaps keep anonymous votes too, but make them worth less or only use them to break ties.

Comment author: JamesAndrix 03 February 2010 06:39:23AM 0 points [-]

FAI is harder.

No it's not. Look at two simpler cases:

Write a chess program that provably makes only legal moves, iterate as desired to improve it. Or,

Write a chess program. Put it in a sandbox so you only ever see it's moves. Maybe they're all legal, or maybe they're not because you're having it learn the rules with a big neural net or something. At the end of the round of games, the sandbox clears all the memory that held the chess program except for a list of moves in many games. You keep the source. Anything it learned is gone. Iterate as desired to improve it.

If you're confident you could work out how it was thinking from the source and move list, what if you only got a sequence of wins and non-wins? (An array of bits)

Comment author: arbimote 03 February 2010 07:08:27AM 0 points [-]

A sequence of wins and non-wins is enough to tell you whether a given approach can result in intelligent behaviour. That alone is enough to make it a useful experiment.

Comment author: sorentmd 03 February 2010 06:06:04AM -1 points [-]

A man with one watch knows what time it is; a man with two watches is never quite sure.

Comment author: arbimote 03 February 2010 06:25:43AM 8 points [-]

A man with one watch might have the wrong time; a man with two watches is more aware of his own ignorance.

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