Comment author: ScottL 02 March 2016 12:24:30PM *  2 points [-]

I will now explain some practical techniques that I would give someone in your position. It looks like you have already implemented some of them. FYI I haven’t provided much background on any of the techniques, so if you want any more information on any of the mentioned techniques check out my post on the CFAR material as well.

Value Awareness

  • Reframe the situation to find hidden values. You can do this, for example, by asking: “If I was already at the public school would the choice to switch to the private school be just as hard”. If there is a difference, then analysing why can often reveal hidden values.
  • Use goal factoring to find hidden values. This entails finding some alternate set of actions through which you could get what you want cheaper and then analysing why you don’t choose to go with the cheaper option. For example, boarding at the school would resolve move of the problems you have, e.g. travelling and not having enough social time with the other students. I don’t know if this is an option, but if it is and you don’t want to do it then the reason for this should be in your considered valuations.
  • Find out which aspects of the choice are cruxes. You can do this by creating a list of the valuable or aversive things related to the two choices and then eliminating one of them at a time to see if the choice you would make is significantly altered. If it is, then you have found a crux.
  • Reference class hopping. Try and think about if your choice ever wavers. That is, if there are moments when you really want to change schools. If this happens, then it indicates that there may be some large underlying issue that is prompting the desired change. An example might be that your desire to change schools spikes when you are feeling excluded, like you are not part of the clique or like you can’t connect deeply with anyone at the school. A large underlying issue, in my opinion, indicates a problem that you should at least try to resolve before making any drastic decisions.

Prediction Accuracy

  • Take an outside view. Can you find anyone who has made the same choice already?
  • Trial the change to see what it will actually be like. This is probably not applicable for your situation, but it is normally one of the first things to look into.

Agency

It can often be good to spend most of your effort on thinking about how to fix existing problems rather than moving to a whole new situation. It is common for people to not think about or to underestimate the costs involved with change. In your case, example costs would be having to get to know the new teachers and students in the public school. An example of fixing a problem could be seeing if it is possible to set up a math club at your private school.

  • Think through all the cruxes that you figured out earlier and try to come up with as many solutions as you can that would deal with those cruxes. For example, instead of taking the trip to the private school each day you can look into boarding at the school. Once you have come up with these strategies you can take a much more intricate approach to the choice, perhaps, employing multiple strategies to deal with different aspects relating to the choice.
  • Get the advice of others especially those who can relate and are close to the problem, e.g. teachers, parents, friends etc. Be sure not to present the solution as a false dilemma, i.e. to change schools or not. Instead try to explain the situation as fully as possible. This could involve going through all the cruxes and the strategies you have come up with the resolve them. There are two extra benefits to this as well:
    1. It can often help you come up with a solution that should have been obvious. This is because there is difference between thinking you have fully understood a problem and being able to fully explain it to another person.
    2. It allows you to see the problem from a different perspective. It can, at times, be easy to miss the ramifications for other people of the choices that we make.
Comment author: argella42 02 March 2016 09:56:54PM 0 points [-]

This is so thorough! Thank you so much! I think my desire to transfer does spike when I feel lonely... a useful piece of information. :)

Comment author: buybuydandavis 02 March 2016 04:25:39AM 5 points [-]

First, I would say look for the possibilities to make the boarding school work as best as possible.

What can you do directly? Have you considered actually boarding at your current school? Is that financially doable? If it's really an issue of coming home late every day, are there any activities that go late on some days, so that you have some long days, and then some short days? How can you adjust your schedule to make things work? You're going on 16, aren't you? Are you going to get a car for that commute? That might make life easier. On activities, have you looked at them all? You're young. Try things. Art. Music. Dance.

( I really can't recommend Dance strongly enough as something to get into young. It's fitness that can last and be used a lifetime. And it's a gold mine for young men, as there are a dozen girls trained in dance for every guy. I took up social dance after grad school. I'm 50 now, and dancing with girls half my age because I can. Me and my friends were just young morons for turning up our noses at dance. This falls under "try things" too. I had no idea I'd enjoy dance so much, or of all the benefits it would bring.)

After you look at your options for what you can do, I'd go talk to administrators at your school to see if they can help. Tell them you love the place - you LOVE the place - but you have issues because of being off campus and the on campus requirements keeping you from home. Could they reduce the participation requirements? Could they help further financially to get you boarding on campus? Maybe part time? What kind of high school doesn't have a math team?

Private boarding schools should have a good deal of flexibility in what they can do financially. Particularly with room and board, I expect that's just adding you to fix costs that the school already incurs.

I got a similar scholarship to a private (but not boarding) school. Though smart, I was not always so good a student. They counseled me and worked with me.

They want you to stay. They want you to succeed. They don't want you to bail.

Work for the best deal you can manage, and then decide.

The private school sounds like it would leave you better prepared, and certainly better credentialed to get into the best school you can.

The college you go to, and the friends you make there, have a huge effect on the rest of your life. I would expect the same principle applies to snooty boarding schools. You make connections that can last you decades. The college you go to matters if you want to go to grad school (because your grad school matters, particularly if you want to stay in academe).

The trade off you make now will be paying off in compounded interest for the rest of your life. It's a good time to suck it up a little for a long term gain.

I've noticed that when people tell me I have to do things, I enjoy them much, much less.

Everybody is like that. Particularly at work. Everything is a battle of status and control. It's not helpful. Try to let it go.

Comment author: argella42 02 March 2016 09:56:09PM 1 point [-]

The public school is really unusually good for a public school. Also, I'm a (straight) girl, and I've tried dancing and am REALLY bad at it. I took ballet when I was a little girl for years... I appreciate the suggestion, though.

I should have clarified that I'm on financial aid because my mother works at the school, not because they particularly want me. My mother did tell me that I might have gotten a scholarship anyway, because I'm a good student, but I don't know if I'd buy that.

My PSAT was very good (1490 out of 1520) and I have a solid A- GPA, so I probably don't have to worry too much about going to college. I am not hugely concerned with getting into Harvard or anything like that.

Furthermore, though the private school academics are definitely better, all of the classes are "discussion-based" which means that you spend most of the time listening to your peers try to bullshit their way into class participation points. Granted that some teachers ignore this and teach more traditionally, and some students are smart enough to say interesting things--but they're still high school students.

You're certainly right about letting things go. Even if society didn't really exist I'd still have to spend several hours every day hunting for food. I should be more grateful.

Thank you for the advice.

Request for advice: high school transferring

7 argella42 01 March 2016 10:27PM

UPDATE 3/16/16: I decided to go to public school, because I was tired of all the little annoying stuff at my current school--especially the entitled kids and the entitled attitude in general. Everybody acts like they deserve something. It's very irritating.

The other reason I came to that decision was "exploration value". By moving to a new situation I learn whether I really am better off in the kind of environment offered by the public high school; even if it ends up being worse for me, at least I know what to avoid. If it's good, I know it's good; and if it makes no difference, I know that, too.

EDIT: Just to clarify, I attended public middle school with the same group of kids, so I won't have to worry too much about getting to know new people. I am still in occasional contact with my old friends. I talked to one of them for several hours just yesterday.

(I'm new here, though I've lurked, so if I break any rules or otherwise do something detrimental, please let me know and I will try to correct my mistake)

I currently go to a rather nice independent high school. I'm on significant financial aid, so I can afford it. The academics there are outstanding. However, being a boarding school (I go as a day student) it requests a lot of our free time. We are required to participate in adult-sanctioned activities at least six or seven hours a week, in addition to normal classes. This means that 1. I get home from school around 6pm and 2. (more importantly) it's very hard to socialize when you don't board at the school, and there's really very little besides drama or sports (neither of which I like very much) that people do after school and actually enjoy/make friends in.

I'm strongly considering transferring to my public school, which is unusually good for a public school, as a junior next year. The academics are not as great (classes are less discussion-based and there are not as many APs offered) but there is a strong amount of participation in stuff I might actually enjoy after school (math team, etc.) because we're not required to do anything after school. I've noticed that when people tell me I have to do things, I enjoy them much, much less. Also, I won't have a commute, which would be nice.

Everything else about the schools is more or less comparable.

I'm sure when I think about this decision I am biased in some way. I'm probably succumbing to the sunk cost fallacy (sometimes I think if I'd been at the public school the last two years, I'd rather be at the private school) or something like that. If not, I'm facing the problem of Buridan's Ass.

My question to you: should I transfer or not? I have thought very hard and consulted several intelligent people, and have not been able to come to any sort of conclusion.

 

 

Comment author: Lumifer 01 March 2016 05:47:23PM 4 points [-]

What non-trivial falsifiable assertions (or, better yet, predictions) does this theory make?

Comment author: argella42 01 March 2016 10:18:41PM 2 points [-]

The major falsifiable prediction is that reminding people of their own mortality will cause them to increase the strength of their psychological terror defense mechanisms, which may include culture, religion, or social ties. Here is a literature review of the subject from 2010. According to the review, the theory hasn't been falsified:

"MS [mortality salience, i.e. death reminders] yielded moderate effects (r=0.35) on a range of worldview- and self-esteem-related dependent variables"

Comment author: Viliam 01 March 2016 09:07:10PM *  0 points [-]

The application seems great, but the list of permissions it needs is scary ("perform operations like adding, and removing accounts and deleting their password", "use the authentication credentials of an account").

Comment author: argella42 01 March 2016 10:10:30PM 0 points [-]

Ah, yeah, that could be an issue--I suppose I never noticed... I think there are similar apps which might not need so much information. You could google "sleep tracking apps". Last I checked there were at least five or six similar ones.

Comment author: Romashka 01 March 2016 06:17:14PM 1 point [-]

Thanks! I think I will go with "Fernus imaginatus", because I wanted just something fern-like but without allusions to real plants - a name for a spherical fern in vacuum, if you wish.

Comment author: argella42 01 March 2016 08:19:27PM 1 point [-]

Ah, yes, if that's the case, definitely your best bed (although generally species names are italicized, if you want it to look at least kind of realistic)

Comment author: Romashka 01 March 2016 01:01:18PM 0 points [-]

How do you say in Latin 'Fern imagined' (like a real species name)?

Comment author: argella42 01 March 2016 03:16:05PM *  1 point [-]

"Fern" is a very broad category, but for the species name (the 'imagined' part) I would go with either fictus or conceptus. The fern that you think of when you think "fern" is probably of the Athyrium genus. So I would say Athyrium fictum or Athyrium conceptum (you have to change the ending of the adjective to match the (probably) neuter gender of athyrium). One of the Latin words for fern is filix, which is feminine, so yo could also do Filix ficta or Filix concepta.

EDIT: The genus you'd want is actually Polypodium, so you want Polypodium fictum or Polypodium conceptum. (source: my Latin teacher, who's also into botany).

Source: William Whitaker's Words and two years of Latin.

Comment author: Viliam 01 March 2016 02:04:56PM *  0 points [-]

Found this website selling very cool mattresses. Anyone tried them?

"very cool" = connected to a smartphone, collecting data about your sleep, adjustable by clicking a button

Comment author: argella42 01 March 2016 03:07:33PM 0 points [-]

No, but I've had some decent results with Sleepbot, which is much cheaper (free) if you have a smartphone already. Probably doesn't have nearly as good measurements as the mattress, and obviously doesn't make it adjustable, but it does seem to wake you up at a good time if you turn the accelerometer and microphone sensors on. (My smartphone broke, so as yet I haven't collected real empirical data on how well it works)

Comment author: argella42 01 March 2016 03:04:08PM 2 points [-]

What do you guys think of the theories of Ernest Becker, and of the more modern terror management theory?

The basic argument as that many, if not all, human behaviors are the result of our knowledge of our own mortality and our instinct to deny and forget about it in order to seek some kind of literal or symbolic immortality (by living forever, or writing a famous book, etc.) Religion exists to tell us that it's okay to die, culture to make us forget about religion, so we don't examine it too closely or think about death in general (it can still be scary because the evolutionary instinct to survive is still there). This definition of "culture" applies to nearly every domain of human achievement, including this very website. Less wrong exists to raise users' self esteem or self-concept so that the feel some security in a symbolic kind of immortality (I'm rational, I'm a transhuminist--of course I'll survive!)

I suggest you read the links I gave above for further explanation. There have also been scientific studies on mortality salience (here's a review) which seem to support the theory.

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