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Comment author: Good_Burning_Plastic 26 June 2017 01:05:32PM 0 points [-]

Otherwise the distance is infinite.

A metric is supposed to be always finite. Note the round right bracket in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_(mathematics)#Definition.

Comment author: arundelo 26 June 2017 04:29:55PM 0 points [-]
Comment author: Wei_Dai 21 June 2017 06:18:53AM 0 points [-]

Artistic pursuits may be "upper-class", but they are not unproductive. They serve to keep the upper classes practiced in physical cognition, counteracting a tendency to shift entirely into social modes of cognition (gossip and status-signaling games) as one ascends the social ladder.

I'm having trouble understanding this. Why do artistic pursuits constitute practice in physical cognition as opposed to social cognition? It seems obvious to me that artistic pursuits are (among other things) a type of status signaling, so I'm confused why you're contrasting the two. Please explain?

With this level of resources (distributed in whatever way within a portfolio of financial, social, and intellectual capital), there is no excuse for conceiving oneself at any level below 4 of the Maslow hierarchy. Probably 5, really.

(Aside from not being sure how valid the Maslow hierarchy is) I agree with this. But I don't see art/music/dance classes as a particularly good way to prepare most kids to fulfill their level 4 and 5 needs, mostly because there is too much competition from other parents pushing their kids into artistic pursuits. The amount of talent, time, and effort needed to achieve recognition or a feeling of accomplishment seem too high, compared to other possible pursuits.

Comment author: arundelo 21 June 2017 08:23:01PM 1 point [-]

You can use ballet dancing or piano playing for status signaling but first you need to learn to dance ballet or play the piano.

Comment author: Lumifer 19 June 2017 07:12:44PM 1 point [-]

Take a look at this site

The link as given fails to load in Firefox 54.0 with the "Secure Connection Failed" error message (and, notably, Firefox doesn't offer me an obvious way to make an exception for this site). The link does work if you replace the https:// with the plain http://

Comment author: arundelo 19 June 2017 08:08:10PM 0 points [-]

It works for me in Firefox 53.0.3, Firefox 54.0, and Chrome 58.0.3029.110.

(All 32-bit on Windows. I tested it both by clicking on the link, which goes through Less Wrong's redirect.viglink.com thing, and by entering the [https] readthesequences link in the address bar.)

The only weird thing is that after I upgraded to Firefox 54, the "TLS handshake" step of loading the page took a long time -- ten seconds or so -- a couple times, but it's not doing that now.

Comment author: panpiotrs 04 May 2017 10:42:32AM *  0 points [-]

Thank you for this review. Can you write something about "Resolve Cycles"? Oh! I found it on your blog, thx :)))

Comment author: arundelo 04 May 2017 11:41:27AM 1 point [-]

The Resolve Cycle is a CFAR technique where one sets a 5 minute timer and resolves to solve the problem in the allotted time.

-- https://mindlevelup.wordpress.com/2017/02/20/resolve-post-cfar-3/

In response to Nonperson Predicates
Comment author: John_Mlynarski 27 April 2017 01:36:50AM *  1 point [-]

"Is a human mind the simplest possible mind that can be sentient?" Of course not. Plenty of creatures with simpler minds are plainly sentient. If a tiger suddenly leaps out at you, you don't operate on the assumption that the tiger lacks awareness; you assume that the tiger is aware of you. Nor do you think "This tiger may behave as if it has subjective experiences, but that doesn't mean that it actually possesses internal mental states meaningfully analogous to wwhhaaaa CRUNCH CRUNCH GULP." To borrow from one of your own earlier arguments.

If you are instead sitting comfortably in front of a keyboard and monitor with no tiger in front of you, it's easy to come up with lots of specious arguments that tigers aren't really conscious, but so what? It's also easy to come up with lots of specious arguments that other humans aren't really conscious. Using such arguments as a basis for actual ethical decision-making strikes me as a bad idea, to put it mildly. What you've written here seems disturbingly similar to a solipsist considering the possibility that he could, conceivably, produce an imaginary entity sophisticated enough to qualify as having a mind of its own. Technically, it's sort of making progress, but....

When I first read your early writing, the one thing that threw me was an assertion that "Animals are the moral equivalent of rocks." At least, I hope that I'm not falsely attributing that to you; I can't track down the source, so I apologize if I'm making a mistake. But my recollection is of its standing out from your otherwise highly persuasive arguments as such blatant unsupported personal prejudice. No was evidence given in favor of this idea and it was followed by a parenthetical that clearly indicated that it was just wishful thinking; it really only made any sense in light of a different assertion that spotting glaring holes in other people's arguments isn't really indicative of any sort of exceptional competence except when dealing with politically and morally neutral subject matter.

Your post and comments here seem to conflate, under the label of "personhood," having moral worth and having a mind somehow closely approximating that of an adult human being. Equating these seems phenomenally morally dubious for any number of reasons; it's hard to see how it doesn't go directly against bedrock fairness, for example.

Comment author: arundelo 27 April 2017 11:20:38PM 0 points [-]

Eliezer probably means "sapient":

"Sentience is commonly used in science fiction and fantasy as synonymous with sapience, although the words aren't synonyms."

(Or maybe by "is sentient", he means to say, "is a person in the moral sense".)

Comment author: Thomas 18 April 2017 06:31:23AM 1 point [-]
Comment author: arundelo 18 April 2017 02:57:55PM 0 points [-]

This statement has the letter “T” at the beginning; the next two letters are “h” and “i”; which are followed by “s s”; … ; the first letter is then repeated inside double quotes; …

What do the ellipses ("...") mean?

Comment author: bogus 08 April 2017 05:26:11PM *  0 points [-]

"I would actually put myself in the top 5 percentile of people at my school in terms of cognitive ability and general awareness."

That's beautiful. We need a "Dunning–Kruger quote of the month" thread for this sort of stuff!

Comment author: arundelo 08 April 2017 07:44:31PM *  4 points [-]

We need downvotes for this sort of stuff. ^

Edit: By which I mean bogus's comment, which does nothing beyond insulting lifelonglearner. Also, I'd guess quite a few commenters on this website are in the 95th percentile of (say) IQ at their school.

Comment author: Bound_up 27 February 2017 02:11:37PM 0 points [-]

I'm looking for a link I saw on SSC once, with some poetry written by a woman who took drugs every day for a year or so. Any ideas?

Comment author: arundelo 27 February 2017 03:37:13PM *  2 points [-]

This was probably Aella, who took LSD every week for ten months.

I'm not finding the poetry on a quick scan of aellagirl.com but it rings a bell with me too. It might also be on aellagirl.tumblr.com (which, be warned, has a fair amount of NSFW images).

Comment author: Pimgd 15 February 2017 08:43:08PM 0 points [-]

Paper.... cups?

Comment author: arundelo 16 February 2017 01:18:40AM 2 points [-]
Comment author: bogus 14 February 2017 11:41:06PM *  0 points [-]

a participatory culture makes the notion of a skill-level hierarchy more apparent and well-defined

Not so. Fetishizing extreme 'skill', virtuosity, stardom etc. is a marker of a consumer culture, not a participatory one. One needs only look at what may be the earliest comprehensively-documented instance of a mostly- or entirely-passive musical culture, namely the elite dramma per musica a.k.a. opera seria, to be sure that this is the case! (This is something that people were keenly aware of at the time - which is why opera was eventually reformed to make it more "natural".)

"composers writing for composers" is a way of describing a participatory culture (which suggests that its use as a derogatory description is pathological).

Well, to the extent that they are indeed engaging in such an activity for the sake of participation, this is certainly true. But it's quite doubtful to me that even the "anti-populist fortress" of academia (as you put it later in your comment) can escape its own sort of consumer culture-ish dynamics. In this case, of course, such dynamics involve, not so much 'compromising' for the sake of mainstream popularity, but precisely the striving for some peak of perceived 'skill' and stardom (as judged e.g. by influential critics, patrons/funders and other outsiders), even when this is to the detriment of the overall interestingness and breadth of the participatory process.[1]

If so, this may be a case where all we can do is pick our place on a deeply uncomfortable tradeoff - since neither of these processes seems to track the values we would prefer! But a combination of the refragmentation you point to later on[2] and an increase in influence from the more self-consciously "low skill" and "DIY" subcultures seems to offer the best hope for improvement. Which is paradoxical indeed if you simply assume that these "DIY" subcultures must be "mass" cultures and thus cannot possibly help further an "elite" tradition.

[1] A further issue compounding this 'Moloch' problem, is that - much like J.S. Bach who thought of the Lutheran God as being his audience - most "academic" composers nowadays seem to be making music to worship Ra. The Lutheran God very possibly does not exist, but everyone has experienced 'Ra' in some form, and I for one don't think of Ra-worship as especially worthwhile, either artistically or in a broader social sense.

[2] (I had actually been taking this process for granted; I agree that the increasingly-consolidated, capital-intensive, "mainstream" music industry is obviously not a force for increased participation!)

Comment author: arundelo 15 February 2017 03:03:48PM 1 point [-]

a participatory culture makes the notion of a skill-level hierarchy more apparent and well-defined

Not so. Fetishizing extreme 'skill', virtuosity, stardom etc. is a marker of a consumer culture, not a participatory one.

For one thing, fetishizing skill is a fairly small component of contemporary popular music culture. For another, that's different from the skill-level hierarchy komponisto is talking about. As a musician (disclosure!), I expect a musician's judgment of another musician's skill level to be more accurate and finer-grained than the judgment of a non-musician.

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