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Comment author: taryneast 02 August 2011 09:06:54AM 0 points [-]

I'm 25. I noticed the cycling at about 17, though it started at 14, I guess. The worst period was at 20-21.

From the info that I've seen on bipolar... it really "gets into the swing" when you get to your late 20s and early 30s. Earlier than this and it can easily be mistaken for normal moods affected by outside forces.

Comment author: bipolar 02 August 2011 09:41:17AM 1 point [-]

Earlier than this and it can easily be mistaken for normal moods affected by outside forces.

Thia was certainly my own experience; i'm 25 and didn't figure it out until the past year.

Comment author: [deleted] 01 August 2011 05:26:16PM 1 point [-]

I had considered this. Further evidence: I have an atypical reaction to coffee. I get sleepy, then really calm. I react to very small doses and don't seem to build resistance (except to the anti-tiredness property). This is not unusual for manics and ADD folk. Both my parents drink coffee right before going to bed, to sleep better. (I don't, normally. Sleep quality goes way up, but caffeine also disrupts it, so memory suffers.)

But going with "alright, I'm bipolar" is just a label. I've gone through enough of those already.

As far as I know, there's no good bipolar treatment. Lithium might be useful for more major cases, but my general mood is fairly stable as is. Inspired by Seth Roberts, I experimented with morning faces, movement and sunlight. Light therapy seems to stabilize my depression (though it's too early to tell; winter is coming). The other two do nothing.

Besides the stuff I already listened, I'm not aware of any other promising treatment. I have a fairly low opinion of therapists, so I haven't made a great effort to check them out. I studied all plausible methods though, often with neat successes, but unfortunately only for different problems.

(Don't take this as negative dismissal. It's just that so far I haven't been successful down this road. Right now, I suspect that working on the level of thought or mood is useless as that's not were the issue is. I'm trying to escalate the problem now to get a better picture of what exactly isn't working, so I'm actively seeking out boredom, pain, guilt and so on. That's certainly an atypical approach. I don't know if it is successful or sane, but when you can't find a bug, it always helps to have more data about what input causes it break...)

In response to comment by [deleted] on Ego syntonic thoughts and values
Comment author: bipolar 01 August 2011 06:14:14PM 1 point [-]

But going with "alright, I'm bipolar" is just a label. I've gone through enough of those already.

As far as I know, there's no good bipolar treatment. Lithium might be useful for more major cases, but my general mood is fairly stable as is.

It's a possibility to keep an eye on in any case. How old are you? Anecdotally there's a tendency for the cycling in untreated bipolar people increase in amplitude and frequency with time. If symptoms worsen, consider the following:

  1. If I remember correctly, historically Lithium cuts suicide rates in diagnosed bipolar people by a factor of ten or so (can dig up a reference if you'd like).

  2. There are of course other mood stabilizers that one can experiment with.

  3. CBT, self-monitoring & being monitored by others can be used to recognize the onset of (hypo)manic episodes. This can be useful because one can then take tranquilizers and/or atypical anti-psychotics to reduce the severity of (hypo)manic episodes. This in turn tends to reduce the severity of subsequent depressive crashes.

  4. Maintaining a regular sleep schedule with enough hours a night is thought to be important to maintaining (relative) emotional stability. Also, sleep deprivation can trigger (hypo)mania.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 01 July 2011 01:58:33AM 7 points [-]

I noticed that, while there used to be religious wars, for the most part these days, what gets people to die for no good reason is nationalism.

I'm not sure what the best attitude is-- I don't think we can dispense with government these days, but on the other hand, I don't think law-abidingness and patriotism should be put very high on the list of virtues.

Comment author: bipolar 01 July 2011 03:06:58AM 1 point [-]

I noticed that, while there used to be religious wars, for the most part these days, what gets people to die for no good reason is nationalism.

Don't both of religion and nationalism fall under the broader umbrella of tribalism? It's plausible to me that without either one there would be some other sort of tribalism with adverse effects on global welfare. People might not die as a result but I don't think that there's reason to think that the aggregate negative effect would be smaller.

Now, if what replaced them was some sort of ideology of the type "equal consideration for all" that filled the vaccum left over by politics/religion then that would be different. I have little sense for how likely this would be.

I'm not sure what the best attitude is-- I don't think we can dispense with government these days, but on the other hand, I don't think law-abidingness and patriotism should be put very high on the list of virtues.

What sort of law-abidingness do you have in mind here? Obeying military drafts?

LW Bipolar Support Group?

4 bipolar 29 June 2011 10:06PM

Related to: Intrapersonal negotiation

I'm writing to inquire about whether there's interest on LW in developing a bipolar support group.

There's a general issue of the people at in-person support groups and designated online forums. been relatively uneducated; having little capacity for or ability for reflection; and for the discussion at such places to degenerate into platitudes. I was touched by datadataeverywhere's posting Intrapersonal negotiation and would be interested in talking with similar people about similar topics.

I'm bipolar ii and have been for at least a decade but only fully became aware of my condition over the past year. I've found my varying functionality/productivity corresponding to hypomanic/depressive oscillations very confusing and have little idea of how to best ride out the waves. I am seeing a psychiatrist and have read books such as The Bipolar Disorder Survival Guide, Second Edition: What You and Your Family Need to Know, and The Bipolar Workbook: Tools for Controlling Your Mood Swings. I tried to read the Goodwin/Jamison Manic-Depressive Illness but found it dull. I looked at Jamison's other books but though she's a very poetic author I found the accuracy and general applicability of her subjective narratives questionable.

Anyway, any LWers who are interested should comment below or PM me.

Comment author: bipolar 29 June 2011 07:41:50PM 2 points [-]

I think that you raise a legitimate concern. I think that as opportunity for growth increases, it will be to people's advantage to rewire themselves to be more empathetic so that they can cooperate with one another more. So I think that people's enjoyment of torture will go down on average. But this doesn't entirely preclude the concern that you raise. I think that all that one can say is that while there's a good chance that there will be torture in the future if the human race survives, there will be a lot of counterbalancing ecstatic experiences. Whether the latter can balance out the former is in some measure a matter of perspective.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 28 June 2011 07:56:16AM 5 points [-]

I believe that a lot of what's wrong with the world comes from taking governments too seriously. The historical argument for atheism-- the damage done by religion-- applies at least as strongly to governments.

This doesn't mean I think it necessarily makes sense for individuals to conspicuously ignore a government which is dangerous to them. To put it mildly, there are group effects.

Comment author: bipolar 29 June 2011 06:26:00PM 1 point [-]

Taking governments too seriously in what sense? Adopting values implicit in in government rhetoric? Following laws? Give some examples if you'd like.

Also, are you considering the counterfactual here? Without religion there's atheism. What happens when people don't take governments too seriously? It's actually unclear to me that religion does more harm than good; I would guess that the harm done apparently done by religion is largely due to general human nature and that there are upsides of organic community so that on balance it's a wash.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 27 June 2011 01:41:47AM 5 points [-]

I'm inclined to agree, though I suspect we've got different lists of what the real problems are.

Comment author: bipolar 28 June 2011 04:55:56AM 2 points [-]

If you have more to say as to your list of what the real problems are I'd be interested in reading.

Comment author: bipolar 19 June 2011 09:12:06PM 0 points [-]

Agree with Caplan. Various people recommend National Public Radio.

Comment author: bipolar 19 June 2011 09:10:03PM 0 points [-]

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