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Comment author: ChristianKl 18 September 2014 10:30:12AM 1 point [-]

The word drone refer to something that flies. You could miss flying and non-flying robots.

What's the bottleneck, where robots don't perform?

Comment author: bramflakes 18 September 2014 03:53:15PM 4 points [-]

What's the bottleneck, where robots don't perform?

  • Rough terrain
  • Adverse weather conditions
  • Dealing with civilians
  • Going up and down flights of stairs
  • Taking prisoners
  • Medical care
  • Being underground

probably a lot more

Comment author: VAuroch 17 September 2014 03:59:43AM 2 points [-]

I'm not clear on whether it's actually a good idea, but if Bryan Caplan's arguments are the best available, it's definitely a horrible idea. He sidesteps all the potential problems without addressing them, or in some cases draws analogies that, when actually considered properly, indicate that it would be a bad idea.

Comment author: bramflakes 17 September 2014 10:39:09AM 2 points [-]

Actually here I disagree. There are many counterarguments listed on the Open Borders site, and for that I give him credit. Especially as he actually attempts to engage with racialist arguments, rather than dismissing them.

Comment author: polymathwannabe 16 September 2014 02:12:33PM -1 points [-]

The difference is only apparent; both societies have treated their nonwhites like trash. The British Empire merely avoided its "dysfunction" problem at home by outsourcing it to India.

Comment author: bramflakes 16 September 2014 04:02:07PM *  5 points [-]

Then why, despite the xenophobic laws of the 19th and early 20th centuries, are East Asians a dominant minority in the US? Why, despite a millenium of antisemitism, are Ashkenazim getting 27% of Nobels and making up about quarter [edit: not sure of exact number] of US billionaires?

White people have treated all nonwhites like trash at some point or another, yet there's a giant variation in outcomes. Racism as an all-powerful explanation of black dysfunction is untenable.

Comment author: gjm 15 September 2014 08:03:53PM 3 points [-]

I'm sure Bradford isn't the greatest place to live, but (1) it's better than many US inner cities, (2) the UK seems quite far from collapse, and generally (3) "such-and-such a country allows quite a lot of immigration, and there is one city there that has a lot of immigrants and isn't a very nice place" seems a very very very weak argument against liberal immigration policies.

Comment author: bramflakes 15 September 2014 10:47:08PM 3 points [-]

I'm being flippant of course. I didn't intend it as a serious argument.

Quick response:

1) You cannot compare the UK's cities to the US' cities because the US has a 14% black population and the UK does not. "Inner city" is a codeword for the kind of black dysfunction that thankfully the UK does not possess.

2) The UK is not close to collapse because we don't have fully Open Borders yet. For all its faults, the EU's migration framework isn't quite letting in millions of third-worlders yet.

3) Of course.

If you don't mind, I don't want to get into a lengthy debate on the subject.

Comment author: jsteinhardt 15 September 2014 05:37:34PM 20 points [-]

[Please read the OP before voting. Special voting rules apply.]

For many smart people, academia is one of the highest-value careers they could pursue.

Comment author: bramflakes 15 September 2014 08:05:18PM *  6 points [-]

Highest value for the person, for society, or both?

Also, by "high value" do you mean purely monetary or do you mean other benefits?

Comment author: shminux 15 September 2014 06:12:03PM 7 points [-]

Ebola is an example of a locally-originated virulent existential threat open borders fail to contain, biological, social or otherwise. Controlled borders, despite all the issues, at least can act as an immune system of sorts.

Comment author: bramflakes 15 September 2014 07:17:06PM -1 points [-]

Yes I agree, I was just being facetious :s

Comment author: shminux 15 September 2014 05:52:39PM 1 point [-]

Ebola?

Comment author: bramflakes 15 September 2014 05:58:51PM 1 point [-]

Ebola is more an argument for colonialism than against open borders but let's not be picky.

Comment author: Adele_L 15 September 2014 04:20:57PM 8 points [-]

Meta

I think LW is already too biased towards contrarian ideas - we don't need to encourage them more with threads like this.

Comment author: bramflakes 15 September 2014 05:53:19PM 10 points [-]

I think this thread is for opinions that are contrarian relative to LW, and not to the mainstream.

e.g. my opinion on open borders is something that a great majority of people share but is contrarian here, shown by the fact that as of the time of writing it is currently tied for highest-voted in the thread.

Comment author: Punoxysm 15 September 2014 05:05:52PM 1 point [-]

Why do you believe this? Countries with the most liberal immigration policies today don't seem to be on the verge of collapse.

Comment author: bramflakes 15 September 2014 05:48:26PM 3 points [-]

You should visit Bradford someday.

Comment author: bramflakes 15 September 2014 11:41:13AM *  32 points [-]

Open borders is a terrible idea and could possibly lead to the collapse of civilization as we know it.

EDIT: I should clarify:

Whether you want open borders and whether you want the immigration status quo are different questions. I happen to be against both, but it is perfectly consistent for somebody to be against open borders but be in favor of the current level of immigration. The claim is specifically about completely unrestricted migration as advocated by folks like Bryan Caplan. Please direct your upvotes/downvotes to the former claim, rather than the latter.

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