Comment author: polymathwannabe 03 December 2015 10:51:49PM 0 points [-]

Does your offer include entire books?

Comment author: btrettel 03 December 2015 11:09:18PM *  2 points [-]

Yes, with some caveats:

  1. you agree to only use the copy for non-commercial purposes;
  2. you will not distribute the copy;
  3. if there's no other good way to obtain the book (e.g., if you can buy the book or get it via interlibrary loan, go do that), or the book is in the public domain;
  4. there's not a particular section you are interested in (if there is, let me know);
  5. the book is not too long.

With the above caveats, this should be at worst fair use, but I am an engineer, not a lawyer. (I am, however, finishing up a class on US intellectual property law, which clarified much of my understanding of the law in this regard.)

I'll limit myself to 2 requests for entire books (first come, first served), as the scanner they have is not ideal for scanning entire books. They have a good overhead scanner, but it's somewhat slow.

Comment author: btrettel 03 December 2015 10:40:13PM *  2 points [-]

I'll be making a visit to the Library of Congress sometime in the next month. I visit the Library of Congress a few times each year to scan things which basically can't be found elsewhere. If there's anything in particular you want from the Library of Congress next time I go, let me know here. I'd strongly prefer that you've tried other resources first, and checked that what you want is in the Library of Congress catalog (or likely so; sometimes you can't tell).

I might also visit the NIST library and National Agricultural Library.

Also, if there's anything who is going to make a visit to the British Library or any major library in Russia (e.g., the Russian State Library, the National Library of Russia, Library of the Russian Academy of Sciences, any major academic library), let me know if you'd be willing to take some scan requests.

Comment author: gwern 03 December 2015 07:22:07PM 0 points [-]

I hope that's the explanation and a little pushback will motivate them into scanning it.

Comment author: btrettel 03 December 2015 10:22:17PM *  1 point [-]

It's worth asking if they'll scan it again, but I'm fairly confident they would continue to refuse to scan it even if there were no copyright issues. My recommendation might be asking someone else to scan the entire dissertation on their own. The catalog record indicates the dissertation has 61 pages, which is totally doable.

On a side note, I wish there were a more formal way to exchange favors with regard to locating documents like this. Many documents are basically inaccessible because they are in libraries which won't provide scans. A website where you exchange credits of some sort would be really nice.

Incidentally, HathiTrust has it, but it's not available for download. In addition to Harvard, Cornell has a copy as well. Might be worth asking someone at Cornell if Harvard is a dead end.

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Comment author: username2 03 December 2015 09:07:46PM *  16 points [-]

Edit: On a related note, I find following discussions on Tumblr to be a huge pain, and hope either this improves in the future or that more discussions happen elsewhere.

Tumblr is downright unusable if you want to read a discussion. Unless you are a direct participant, they are nearly impossible to follow, and for direct participants it is only possible because they know what they are replying to. It is obviously intended for those who like to share stuff and not those who like to read. Improving it would require creating a completely different service based on completely different ideas about how to structure discussion.

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Comment author: btrettel 03 December 2015 10:12:34PM 4 points [-]

Agreed. Tumblr seems to be bad for discussion by design.

Comment author: gwern 03 December 2015 04:43:23PM *  1 point [-]

Ouch. That is weird. Perhaps there's something historical going on where they used to let Harvard students keep their own copyright but a few decades ago changed it to demand copyright, which is why they can't scan the entirety of an old thesis like Todd's. Hm. You could try replying and asking why they can't scan a Harvard thesis given your personal experience.

If that doesn't work and the other guy can't help, I wonder what I could do. Leaving that thesis out is a really big gap in the literature... Going to Harvard physically with a scanner is not an option since I don't know if they would even lend it out of the stacks to me, much less when I'll ever be in Boston again. In an instance of rather bad timing on my part, it turns out Todd died just last year so I can't simply email him and ask him to release it under CC-BY-SA or something and then the Harvard people could be told they have copyright clearance; his wife Joyce is still around, though, so I could try asking her to license the thesis.

Perhaps you could ask the scanners what they would accept as adequate proof of copyright safety, such as some sort of document signed by Joyce? (No point in bothering her if it wouldn't get them to unlock the thesis, after all.)

Comment author: btrettel 03 December 2015 06:22:20PM *  2 points [-]

In my experience, the actual reason is probably not copyright, as was suggested. The ILL software likely has a few canned responses, and "this is too big, we don't want to scan it" likely rounds to the reason received. I've also had a librarian refuse to scan a relatively short document for "copyright" reasons, despite the document being in the public domain, though not obviously so.

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Comment author: btrettel 03 December 2015 04:09:54AM *  18 points [-]

You bring up a number of important points. Perhaps I missed this when reading, but one role LessWrong plays and continues to play is a good source of discussion. Often I'll find the discussion to be more interesting than a particular article. It's not uncommon for me to be linked to a particular comment divorced from its larger context and not be interested in the larger context. I don't know how common this behavior is, but this is not uncommon for me, and I don't think replacing the rationalist materials with a wiki or Q&A site would suit this well at all. This is one reason to favor something like Reddit.

I'm also generally not a fan of shutting down even semi-active forums. In one online community I've participated in, there were several major forum closures, and each time there was a period of confusion about what to do if you're interested in discussion, along with basically sectarian posturing to get active posters. The sectarian stuff caused major problems down the line, and the current discussion forum for this community more or less voluntarily avoids those conflicts now. There also are a number of roles LessWrong plays that I'm not sure would survive a transition to the diaspora, like the page about sharing academic papers. I also often enjoy reading the open threads. Perhaps transitioning LessWrong more towards discussion would be a good middle ground.

Edit: On a related note, I find following discussions on Tumblr to be a huge pain, and hope either this improves in the future or that more discussions happen elsewhere.

Comment author: gwern 06 November 2015 09:57:04PM 0 points [-]
  • Utts, J. (1988). "Successful replication versus statistical significance". Journal of Parapsychology, 52(4): 305-320 (/r/scholar couldn't provide it.)
Comment author: btrettel 08 November 2015 02:37:14AM *  0 points [-]

Do you have access to ProQuest? Seems you can download the paper there.

Comment author: Lumifer 12 October 2015 11:42:08PM 0 points [-]

Well, there is the issue of revealed preferences...

Comment author: btrettel 13 October 2015 02:22:35AM 0 points [-]

It's certainly possible that they don't actually prefer what they claim to. I don't see any reason to argue with people about that.

Comment author: Lumifer 12 October 2015 03:02:24PM 0 points [-]

I might believe they are mistaken

Do you believe they are mistaken instrumentally (it's not a good use of their time for their goals) or they are mistaken about what goals to pursue?

Comment author: btrettel 12 October 2015 11:21:05PM 0 points [-]

The former. Whenever someone complains to me that they don't have time to do something they (claim to) enjoy greatly (let's call it activity X), but I know that they spend a lot of time watching TV, reading books, etc., and I'm confident that they enjoy TV, etc. less than activity X, it's pretty easy to conclude they use their time poorly. And I don't think I'm unjustified in that belief.

Comment author: Lumifer 09 October 2015 02:47:45PM *  0 points [-]

Do you think it's just your personal opinion or something more than that?

In other words, people have preferences (e.g. white wine vs red wine) with which you could disagree, but about which you can't say that they are "right" or "wrong". All you can say is that your preferences are similar or different.

Some people, of course, add "and those with preferences unlike mine are moral degenerates who will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes", but those tend to be not very reasonable people.

So, do you think the attiudes to leisure and how to spend it are mere preferences which can be tut-tutted but tolerated -- or are they a blight upon humanity which needs to be fixed?

Comment author: btrettel 09 October 2015 10:08:33PM 0 points [-]

Nowhere did I say that people who use their time inefficiently are a blight. I'd really only call people who are actively being harmful a blight.

I recommend that people evaluate whether reading fiction, watching TV, or whatnot, is the best use of their time. If they think these activities are acceptable, I see no reason to argue further with them. I might believe they are mistaken, which I think is perfectly reasonable.

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