Comment author: niceguyanon 30 April 2014 10:18:37PM *  3 points [-]

I'm also starting to understand why so many entrepreneurs are dismissive of MBAs

Entrepreneurs don't have to signal to themselves how smart and capable they are. However, for a white shoe management consultant firm, recruiting MBAs from target schools is just a routine filter, and not dismissed at all.

Comment author: caffemacchiavelli 03 May 2014 03:20:28PM 2 points [-]

Elon's and Manoj's statements caught my interest since hiring MBA-types is assumed to be a standard move for entrepreneurs who have completed the exploratory phase of reaching product-market-fit and are trying to scale up quickly.

Even if you're highly skilled in entrepreneurial and/or executive tasks, you'll need somebody who deals with monitoring, dissemination and handling low-key disturbances. To be honest, I always assumed that you should hire MBAs for this, but now I'm a little more wary.

Comment author: Lumifer 01 May 2014 04:24:45PM *  5 points [-]

distance-learning MBA

I think there's a lot of overgeneralization going on here.

In my subjective opinion, MBA programs are divided into three fairly different groups.

Group one is the top ten (give or take a few) programs (Harvard, Wharton, Stanford, etc.). Your peers are generally smart people and your chances of getting a good job once you graduate are excellent.

Group two is the rest of the accredited programs. To throw in some of my own overgeneralization, these are more or less useless. They can be useful for people who know precisely what they are doing there -- e.g. one guy I knew was an engineer who, his company said, needed an MBA to be promoted up, so he went and got one, and got promoted -- but are not good as education.

Group three is the non-accredited programs including all the online and correspondence courses. They are just useless and a waste of time and money.

As usual, YMMV.

Comment author: caffemacchiavelli 03 May 2014 03:12:35PM 2 points [-]

Do you think the Group 1 schools are superior to the rest as far as quality of material goes? I've been talking to a friend who goes to a well-known university in Europe and a fellow entrepreneur who visits an ivy-league US school, and while I don't have the full picture (or syllabus), they didn't seem much more impressed with the experience than I've been.

Comment author: sixes_and_sevens 30 April 2014 10:41:42PM 3 points [-]

I have very little knowledge of what an MBA syllabus consists of. Can you give some concrete examples of what you're talking about?

Comment author: caffemacchiavelli 30 April 2014 11:41:56PM 6 points [-]

Discussion: How scientifically sound are MBAs?

10 caffemacchiavelli 30 April 2014 09:06PM

I'm finishing up the first year of my distance-learning MBA, which has been a very confusing experience.

I went into the course partially as insurance against "unknown unknowns", i.e., lacking concepts important to building or running a business because I didn't know about them or underestimated their importance.

The first surprise within the course was the relative lack of explaining the utility of the particular models presented. Apart from the section on financial reporting, which did explain how you'd be able to solve practical problems by using particular budgeting tools or costing methods, concepts where generally presented as "This well-known management thinker came up with this, why don't you play around with it a little". 

Analysis and (subjective) discussion of course material was also the main focus of student assessment, which consisted of marked reports on a subject of the students' choice, usually a problem they'd be dealing with in their current position.

There were no quizzes, case studies with objectively correct answers (except for, again, financial reporting) or other problem-solving exercises.

Essentially, students are handed a lot of maps for whatever territory they're trying to analyze, but don't really receive any tool to judge the accuracy, let alone utility of said maps. For instance, I'd consider "Concept useful for describing why A does B well" and "Concept useful for helping A do B well" to be fundamentally different, but the course did not explicitly separate the two. (I've heard similar criticisms of Michael Porter's failed Monitor Group, so this may be a problem of business academics in general)

I fear that there will be a risk of training the stereotypically smug MBA, who has gained more confidence in their management skills even though they haven't proven their ability of making sound decisions.

I'm also starting to understand why so many entrepreneurs are dismissive of MBAs. Manoj Bhargava has a whole talk on the issue and Elon Musk isn't a fan, either. I'm not willing to argue that they're right, but on closer inspection, the field hasn't inspired much confidence in me. Even though I think that business administration should be taught in school, I can't help but feel that we're not quite there yet.

I still can't get the fog to clear completely and this post isn't as lucid as I want it to be, so I'd be happy to hear more arguments on the issue.

Comment author: caffemacchiavelli 07 November 2013 08:39:08AM 0 points [-]

I'm on a business trip, so I won't be around for this one, but I'm definitely interested in future events.

Comment author: Manfred 18 July 2013 03:06:03AM *  4 points [-]

Will this be recorded like, apparently, the other google+ thingies on PZ's google+ page? And can I then watch it any time I want if I am, say, in the wildernessa t the time?

Comment author: caffemacchiavelli 18 July 2013 01:23:32PM *  1 point [-]

It would appear so. FtBCon Homepage says this:

After each session is over, it will almost immediately be saved to the YouTube channel of the person hosting it (the person whose Google+ profile the session was on). It takes a little while for the videos to be processed and posted, so it’s not instant. We’ll update a post with final videos as they become available.

Comment author: caffemacchiavelli 11 July 2013 12:00:37AM 4 points [-]

Hello, everyone. I stumbled upon LW after listening to Eliezer make some surprisingly lucid and dissonance-free comments on Skepticon's death panel that inspired me to look up more of his work.

I've been browsing this site for a few days now, and I don't think I've ever had so many "Hey, this has always irritated me, too!" moments in such short intervals, from the rant about "applause lights" to the discussions about efficient charity work. I like how this site provides some actual depth to the topics it discusses, rather than hand the reader a bullet list of trivialities and have them figure out the application.

I am working as a direct marketing consultant, in the process of getting my MBA (a decision I've started to regret; my faith in the scientific validity of academic management begins to resemble a Shepard Tone) and with future ambitions in entrepreneurship, investing, scaling and other things that fit in the "things I've never done yet smart people are supposed to be good at" box.

I'm a member of Mensa, casual Poker (winning) and Mahjong (losing) player, enjoy lifting weights, cooking (in an utterly unscientific way that would make Heston Blumenthal weep) and martial arts. I also have an imaginary -5yo son/daughter who keeps me motivated to put in more hours at work so we won't have financial worries once they get born.

There are a bunch of things I'd like to do with my life long-term, with varying amounts of megalomania, but I'm generally content with focusing on increasing my financial and (practical) intellectual power in the short- to mid-term and let the future decide just how far off my predictions and plans turn out to be. Estimates range from very to utterly.

Here's hoping LW will help me with that, and that I'll be helpful to others.

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