In response to comment by [deleted] on Rationality Quotes Thread August 2015
Comment author: Viliam 07 August 2015 08:35:22AM 1 point [-]

Morality and belief in supernatural are mostly independent. (You can get Stage One morality from believing in God, but that's it.)

Comment author: cody-bryce 09 August 2015 10:32:44AM *  1 point [-]
  1. GP clearly thinks so to, which is why they presented the question, clearly trying to accuse GGP of a similar equivocation.

  2. Your actual claim is ridiculous. It is most certainly not the case that believing in God can only connect to Stage One morality. Even in the face of a punishing god, this wouldn't be true, but not all gods are punishing anyway, making it even more off.

Comment author: dspeyer 05 August 2014 09:34:00PM 22 points [-]

It was a gamble: would people really take time out of their busy lives to answer other people’s questions, for nothing more than fake internet points and bragging rights?

It turns out that people will do anything for fake internet points.

Just kidding. At best, the points, and the gamification, and the focused structure of the site did little more than encourage people to keep doing what they were already doing. People came because they wanted to help other people, because they needed to learn something new, or because they wanted to show off the clever way they’d solved a problem.

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An incredible number of people jumped at the chance to help a stranger

-- Jay Hanlon, Five year retrospective on StackOverflow

Comment author: cody-bryce 07 September 2014 04:36:43AM *  3 points [-]

Convincing people to offer others programming help on the internet isn't a special accomplishment of SO. From usenet to modern mailing lists to forums to IRC, there are tons and tons of thriving venues for it. The gamification might have helped SO's popularity some, but taking time out of their busy lives to answer others' questions was alive and well.

SO is a dangerous trash heap. It doesn't encourage helping people make good programs; it answers extremely literal questions. Speed of post is important. Style of post is important. Blatantly wrong answers are upvoted by people who don't know what they're looking at when they are early, indicating that vote count isn't telling ever. Doing anything but answering a question completely literally is treated with extreme hostility. These sorts of things have gotten worse with time.

The community relations are bizarre. Active members of the community buy into cheap salesman lines by the owners that are meant to favor the owners. The idea that the community can direct itself is thrown around as if it wasn't blatantly untrue.

Yes, an incredible people jump at the chance to help strangers. SO didn't invent that, they're just one of the more popular current hosts to these people. It's distasteful to act like it started by wondering if such people exist.

Comment author: aarongertler 10 December 2013 06:21:43AM 9 points [-]

Expressed in pictures rather than words, but a great example of how to respond to humanity-threatening calamities:

http://www.kiwisbybeat.com/minus37.html?Bonjour

Sidenote: Almost every Minus comic is wonderful, and there aren't that many of them (you can read the whole series in an hour).

Comment author: cody-bryce 18 December 2013 12:39:42PM 3 points [-]
Comment author: wedrifid 03 August 2013 02:55:37AM *  3 points [-]

Why spend a dollar on a bookmark? ... Why not use the dollar as a bookmark?

It will fall out. Apart from that, money isn't particularly clean and (especially if considering US currency) not particularly pretty either. I expect people to find a bookmark far more aesthetically pleasing than a note.

How is this a rationality quote? It is rationality-neutral at best.

Comment author: cody-bryce 04 August 2013 03:13:51AM 8 points [-]

"Because the dollar is dirty" is one of those pained, stretched explanations people come up with to explain why they do what they do, not the actual reason (even in some small part) the bookmark was invented and became popular.

Comment author: Document 03 August 2013 05:32:31AM *  2 points [-]

But you don't have to be perfect to be the right person in a team, and you don't have to be "the" right person to be an asset to a team. People with low self-confidence plus low social confidence (plus possibly moralistic ideas about self-reliance) will try to self-improve through their own efforts rather than seeking help, regardless of how much less effective it is, believing they're not worth someone else's attention yet, or being afraid of owing someone, or whatever; quotes like Steinem's reinforce that.

...Maybe. I don't have any actual sources, so I could be totally wrong. Still, I'm not sure I like the focus on "being" rather than doing things.

Comment author: cody-bryce 03 August 2013 04:51:23PM 0 points [-]

But you don't have to be perfect to be the right person in a team, and you don't have to be "the" right person to be an asset to a team.

Who said anything about being perfect?

And if you're an asset, you sound prettymuch like the right person to me.

Maybe. I don't have any actual sources, so I could be totally wrong. Still, I'm not sure I like the focus on "being" rather than doing things.

To me the clause "be the right person" sounds very much active/action-based.

Comment author: cody-bryce 02 August 2013 10:29:32PM 7 points [-]

Why spend a dollar on a bookmark? ... Why not use the dollar as a bookmark?

-Steven Spielberg

Comment author: cody-bryce 03 August 2013 04:47:47PM 4 points [-]

It would seem that most of the responders are hopelessly literal....

Comment author: DanArmak 03 August 2013 09:34:17AM *  8 points [-]

I read that as "looking for the right person to fall in love with". Then the sense is "be the right person for someone else". But that achieves a different goal entirely, since it doesn't make the other person right for you.

There are many cases where you want a different person right for the task.

Name three!

Romantic partners (inherently), trading and working partners (allowing you to specialize in your comparative advantage), deputies and office-holders (allowing you to deputize), soldiers (allowing you to send someone else to their death to win the war).

Comment author: cody-bryce 03 August 2013 04:44:05PM 2 points [-]

I assume the original intent of the quote was about romantic partners, where it means, "Instead of searching so hard, make sure to prioritize being awesome for its own sake."

I was trying to repurpose it to express that action is better than preparing for something to fall into place more generally, and I think it's appealed to people.

Comment author: AndHisHorse 03 August 2013 02:28:25AM 5 points [-]

I think the point is not that endings are generally and extrinsically sad, but rather that by definition, an ending is a thing which is sad, if we take the existence of such a thing to be good. (The ending of a bad thing, for example, is an exception, though generally because it allows for the existence of good things). The response, then, would not to be to try to improve endings, but rather to try to do away with them (and, barring that, improve the extrinsic qualities of the non-ending parts).

Comment author: cody-bryce 03 August 2013 04:49:14AM *  -3 points [-]

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Comment author: cody-bryce 02 August 2013 10:28:23PM 10 points [-]

I just think it's good to be confident. If I'm not on my team why should anybody else be?

-Robert Downey Jr.

Comment author: cody-bryce 03 August 2013 04:48:51AM 0 points [-]
Comment author: Document 03 August 2013 02:14:58AM 3 points [-]

Far too few people limit their aspirations to what they can accomplish working alone.

Comment author: cody-bryce 03 August 2013 04:42:23AM 1 point [-]

You still have to be the right person to be the right person in a team....?

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