Comment author: cultureulterior 02 June 2012 07:25:47PM 4 points [-]

The deeper problem in Ch. 6 is that Harry’s conflict with Professor McGonagall looks too much like a victory – it is a major flaw of Methods that Harry doesn’t lose hard until Ch. 10, so he must at least not win too much before then. That’s the part I’m working on at this very instant.

Strongly disagree with this. That's the bit that caused me to continue reading. Luckily, I have the raw text downloaded, and can make my own canonical printed version.

Comment author: glumph 13 May 2012 03:59:37AM *  3 points [-]

Do Hermoine's parents even have the right to withdraw her? Harry's parents apparently do not have such a right:

Muggles had around the same legal standing as children or kittens: they were cute, so if you tortured them in public you could get arrested, but they weren’t people. Some reluctant provision had been made for recognizing the parents of Muggleborns as human in a limited sense, but Harry’s adoptive parents did not fall into that legal category (Chapter 26).

Comment author: cultureulterior 13 May 2012 09:31:02AM 3 points [-]

But Professor McGonagall had made other visits after her first trip, to "see how Miss Granger is doing"; and Roberta couldn't help but think that if Hermione said her parents were being troublesome about her witching career, something would be done to fix them...

This quote in particular makes that point...

Comment author: matheist 09 May 2012 10:38:03PM 4 points [-]

If I were Quirrell, and I wanted Hermione out of Hogwarts, and Dumbledore has warded her against magic, and I failed to convince her to leave, what would I try next?

I would identify those people who have the most influence over her, and attempt to convince them to convince her to leave. Who have we seen to have influence over her? By "influence", I mean that she respects them or might for some reason listen to them. Harry, Dumbledore, McGonagall, Flitwick, Mandy, her parents.

Quirrell likely won't be able to (or won't attempt to) talk Dumbledore, McGonagall, or Flitwick into persuading Hermione to leave. He can put pressure on Harry. Putting pressure on Mandy (either with mind magic or just psychology) might also be effective. Some interrogation techniques involve prolonged deprivation followed by small kindnesses. If everyone hates Hermione, a single friendly face could persuade her to do what she otherwise might not.

He could arrange for Hermione's parents to learn of the events. As McGonagall points out in ch 84, and as Hermione later thinks to herself during her chat with Quirrell, "Mum would want her to RUN AWAY and her father would have a heart attack if he even knew she was being faced with the question."

What other avenues does Quirrell have, besides persuasion? "Hostile magic" and a "spirit [touching]" her would be detected. Can he slip her a potion? Attack her physically? Use non-hostile magic, whatever that might be? Convince her to hex herself? Use hostile magic on someone else force them to attack her physically?

Comment author: cultureulterior 10 May 2012 09:09:27AM 1 point [-]

I'm not sure the Powers that Be at Hogwarts would allow her to be taken home by her parents...

Comment author: cultureulterior 03 May 2012 03:59:22PM 7 points [-]

I think that Salazar's Serpent was a trap Tom Riddle fell into. It was a Langford Basilisk Horcrux, like the book Ginny got in the original timeline, so When Tom Riddle read out the information embedded, he was possessed by Salazar Slytherin. That's why nppbeqvat gb Ibyqrzbeg/Evqqyr/Fnynmne vg frrzf gb unir whfg orra n terng frecrag, abg n onfvyvfx, juvpu vf whfg jung ur jbhyq fnl. Guvf nyfb rkcynvaf gur qnzntrq guvaxvat Uneel frrf.

This might well explain Harry as well, since in OT Voldemort had a giant serpent hanging around. He might not have had one in this timeline, but if he did, it would explain a lot of why he kept it around- it was a horcrux duplicator/imprinter.

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 15 April 2012 02:19:39PM 0 points [-]

You don't distinguish your facts from your inferences well enough. Your list of "facts" seems to contains inferences like "Therefore time turners were limited after the invention of Equinoctal hours, in 127CE.", speculations like "Wizards seem to spend most of their time in pocket universes, otherwise you'd spot dragons and hogwarts trains on satellite imagery." and assumptions like "Children have unconscious magic, but not to the extent that OT Harry did."

Comment author: cultureulterior 15 April 2012 07:03:36PM 4 points [-]

I admit all the above flaws.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 13 April 2012 04:43:54PM 5 points [-]

Time turners are limited to 6 solar hours.
Therefore time turners were limited after the invention of Equinoctal hours, in 127CE.

Can you expand on the reasoning here? I don't see how you conclude that the limitation on time turners is somehow dependent on someone thinking in terms of equinoctal hours. It seems just as plausible that the (length of day)/4 limit (which happens to equal six equinoctal hours) is based on the physics of time turning and has applied all along.

Comment author: cultureulterior 13 April 2012 04:53:58PM *  0 points [-]

My non-conclusive arguments for this are as follows:

  • Each rotation equals one hour.
  • We cannot privilige the human experience, and therefore the length of the earth day cannot be a physical constant.
Comment author: cultureulterior 13 April 2012 03:51:45PM *  2 points [-]

How Magic Works, Some Facts, Inferences, Conclusions, and Speculations

The Facts:

  • Wizards did not have clocks before muggles did.
  • Time turners are limited to 6 solar hours.
  • Therefore time turners were limited after the invention of Equinoctal hours, in 127CE.
  • The Aurors are planning a jinx to stop opposite reaction effect rockets, but they don't understand rockets.
  • There was a significant flux in children's spells, but children did not seem to use more or fewer spells in the past.
  • Brooms work via Aristotelian physics.
  • It's easier to put together spells to make a broom than to make a new spell to make a broom.
  • You can create semi-intelligent objects without understanding what you're doing or creating a copy of yourself or breeding.
  • Mass production of magical effect-bound objects is easier than individual crafting of individual spells for each item.
  • Objects and animals can be made to understand and respond to speech.
  • Magical animals and plants exist and contain magical power and but are all sized more or less a few orders of magnitude around the human norm. No magical ticks or ants seem to exist.
  • Created animals and object are not aware by default.
  • The Interdict of Merlin seems to be blocking the creation of new powerful spells but allow old powerful spells to be rediscovered.
  • The Interdict of Merlin does not block the creation of new spells, only new powerful spells
  • Random unwanted effects seem to seep into the creation of new spells.
  • New spell creation does not seem correlated with magical power or skill.
  • New spells are created, but not all the time- it is either random, requires effort, or requires time.
  • Nobody was as good as Merlin, and then nobody was as good as the four founders.
  • Children have unconscious magic, but not to the extent that OT Harry did.
  • Wizards seem to spend most of their time in pocket universes, otherwise you'd spot dragons and hogwarts trains on satellite imagery.

The Speculations:

  • The source of magic has a certain limited number of permitted Spell to Effect associations on each power level. These associations are susceptible for expiration when no-one knows the spell anymore. High level associations were frozen in place by the Interdict of Merlin, but low level slots are still expiring, and whatever ritual the wizards use to create spells is merely triggering a garbage collect and conditional new spell insert.

  • Upon reception of the insert ritual, the Source of Magic scans the Wizard's mind, and performs an optimization algorithm on a set of existing spells to make a new spell which is close enough in some set of dimensions to what it thinks the Wizard wants, after which it associates the spell and effect. Therefore it would use thousands of years of existing infrastructure for making intelligent object effects.

  • In this scenario a wizard might be trying to create a spell for years, until a slot opens up that he will get to first, competing with everyone else trying to make spells.

  • Wizards, of course, not willing to accept the apparent randomness of this, have additional learned behaviors about creating spells, things they believe are required, most of which are not required and boil down to daydreaming about the effect you want and practice with the spell string and wand wave.

Comment author: gwern 12 April 2012 02:29:26PM 2 points [-]

All you need to vote is a supporting membership, cost $60 or so. You don't have to attend.

I'm not sure that materially increases the number of votes one could expect. Gee, only $60...

Comment author: cultureulterior 12 April 2012 02:55:38PM *  1 point [-]

You only need 100 votes to get nominated, and then the nomination itself will get more people reading it.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 11 April 2012 03:25:02AM 6 points [-]

Rachel Aaron (author of the Eli Monpress series, sample of "The Legend of Eli Monpress" currently on my Kindle being read) is I think the most effusive praise I've gotten from a published author, though I've heard rumors of certain others speaking in the halls of SF conventions. But you're probably thinking of the Nebula, which is voted on by members of the SFWA. The Hugo is a reader award, voted on by the attendees of Worldcon. Look at the review page of HPMOR if you're questioning whether the readers have been sufficiently enthusiastic.

I'm honestly a bit nonplussed at the idea that reader reception of HPMOR has been insufficiently enthusiastic to try for a Hugo. It's fairly routine for a review to say that HPMOR is the best thing they've ever read out of all of fiction. If that is insufficient enthusiasm to think, "Hm, I might as well try for Best Novel, or the Gryffindors will look at me funny for my sheer lack of courage", I don't know what level ought to be required.

Comment author: cultureulterior 12 April 2012 01:33:45PM 1 point [-]

Not only the attendees. People with supporting memberships can vote as well.

Comment author: gwern 11 April 2012 02:18:31PM *  10 points [-]

Which is precisely why I am asking these questions, because there are many ways Eliezer could conclude it's a good idea:

  1. maybe, as I already suggested, best novel nominee > best fanfic award
  2. perhaps Eliezer likes the idea of being a best novel nominee or winner so much that he doesn't mind the significantly reduced expected-value
  3. he has non-public information

    • eg. there are famous writers who have told him they will propagandize for MoR and order their fans to vote for it
  4. he has not thought about it in any detail or come up with calibrated probabilities like I have
  5. he plans to publish MoR as multiple books (given its length) and first books in series are the best to go for best novel and later books can shoot their wad on less prestigious awards
  6. the rules favor MoR in some way I am unaware of

    • eg. he thinks he can issue a call for MoR fans to attend and vote, erasing the disadvantages I otherwise accurately assess

etc.

Comment author: cultureulterior 12 April 2012 01:28:45PM *  2 points [-]

All you need to vote is a supporting membership, cost $60 or so. You don't have to attend.

As soon as HPMOR is finished (hopefully not soon), I will buy a supporting membership to the next year's worldcon. On that note, let me urge Eliezer to finish HPMOR in the summer of some year, so enough supporting memberships can nominate it by January 1.

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