Comment author: Sniffnoy 06 February 2013 12:21:16AM 4 points [-]

It's not from the books; more generally, there isn't anything in the books directly suggesting a connection between Syrio and the Faceless Men.

Comment author: deathpigeon 06 February 2013 02:10:50AM 0 points [-]

Thanks. Fixed it.

Comment author: Nornagest 05 February 2013 11:53:21PM 0 points [-]

Couldn't find it in the Arya chapters of my copy. Wasn't looking terribly hard, though.

Comment author: deathpigeon 05 February 2013 11:58:30PM 0 points [-]

I remembered it vaguely, and found the more exact quote on the ASOIAF Quotes page on TvTropes since I didn't want to search through the Arya chapters to find the exact quote, though I was prepared to.

Comment author: Nornagest 05 February 2013 11:45:03PM *  8 points [-]

It doesn't matter that much, but I'm pretty sure that line is original to the HBO series, not to the books.

(Not my downvotes, incidentally, but I'd speculate they come from a desire to separate rationality from anti-deathism.)

Comment author: deathpigeon 05 February 2013 11:47:23PM 0 points [-]

I could've sworn it was from both of them, and, thus, from the books originally...

Comment author: deathpigeon 05 February 2013 11:33:59PM *  0 points [-]

Gods? There are no 'gods', young bravo. There is only one God, and his name is Death - Him of Many Faces. And there is only one prayer that one says to him - 'Not Today'.

Syrio Forel, Game of Thrones based on A Song of Ice and Fire by George R R Martin

Comment author: Kindly 01 February 2013 04:05:07AM 2 points [-]

"Sorry, my utility function isn't linear in orgasms!"

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Comment author: deathpigeon 01 February 2013 04:12:09AM 0 points [-]

"Sure, but surely 2 orgasms are better than 1, so, since you're at 1/399 for turning into a whale, and a single orgasm is equal to 1/400 chance of turning into a whale, so wouldn't two orgasms be good enough to at least require 1/398 chance of turning into a whale?"

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Comment author: MaoShan 01 February 2013 02:57:13AM 6 points [-]

What it means is that I'd be indifferent between a normal day with a 1/400 chance of being a whale, and a normal day with guaranteed extra orgasm.

"Not tonight honey, I've determined that I have a 1/399 chance of being a whale!"

Comment author: deathpigeon 01 February 2013 03:13:08AM 3 points [-]

"What if I give you two orgasms?"

Comment author: deathpigeon 01 February 2013 02:48:08AM 1 point [-]

A straight line may be the shortest distance between two points, but it is by no means the most interesting.

The Third Doctor

Comment author: [deleted] 27 January 2013 06:14:05AM 1 point [-]

I don't think that would work. People here tend to be more consequentialist than I've seen from people not from here, so we'd probably not be able to see as much of a difference. Plus, the people here are hardly what I'd call normal and are more homogeneous than a more standard set of people. To effectively test that, we'd have to conduct that survey with a more random group of people. I mean, that survey would work, but the sample should be different than the contributors of LessWrong.

If the number of deontologists isn't big enough to power our inference, the stats should tell us this. There are some though.

And I think going outside LW is unnecessary. This essay is hardly aimed at people-in-general.

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Comment author: deathpigeon 27 January 2013 06:57:00AM 0 points [-]

If the number of deontologists isn't big enough to power our inference, the stats should tell us this. There are some though.

That's true. Perhaps we could sort them by what their results with "good" show us about which normative ethical theory they follow, then compare the results of each of the groupings between "good" and "awesome". That would show us the results without consequentialists acting as white noise.

And I think going outside LW is unnecessary. This essay is hardly aimed at people-in-general.

Good point, though it would be interesting to see if it could be applied to people outside of LW.

Comment author: shminux 25 January 2013 06:16:44PM 1 point [-]

Being turned into a hale [sic] might be as awesome as being turned into a gryphon

Are all those ostensibly unintentional typos an inside joke of some kind?

Comment author: deathpigeon 27 January 2013 04:32:40AM 0 points [-]

...Am I the only who is wondering how being turned into a hale would even work and whether or not that would be awesome?

Probably not possible since it isn't even a noun.

Comment author: [deleted] 26 January 2013 05:30:01PM 1 point [-]

Because that would be different from what I thought was being implied by saying "'Awesome' is implicitly consequentialist."

I meant that we should be looking at the awesomeness of outcomes and not actions, and that "awesome" is more effective at prompting this behavior than "good". It looks like you get it, if I understand you correctly.

If someone is already a dentologist, that person will look at the fulfillment of duties when using the word awesome.

I find that somewhat implausible. If they are a hardcore explicit deontologist who,against the spirit of this article, has attempted to import their previous moral beliefs/confusions into their interpretation of "awesomism", then yeah. For random folks who intuitively lean towards deontology for "good", I think "awesome" is still going to be substantially more consequentialist. I would expect variation, though.

I wonder how you could test this. Maybe next year's survey could have some scenarios that ask for an awesomeness ranking, and some other scenarios that ask for a goodness raking, and some more with a rightness ranking. Then we could see how people's intuitions vary with whether they claim to be deontologist or consequentialist, and with prompting wording. This could put the claims in the OP here on a more solid footing than "this works for me".

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Comment author: deathpigeon 27 January 2013 04:05:52AM 0 points [-]

I meant that we should be looking at the awesomeness of outcomes and not actions, and that "awesome" is more effective at prompting this behavior than "good". It looks like you get it, if I understand you correctly.

Oh! That does make sense. I can see your point with that.

I find that somewhat implausible. If they are a hardcore explicit deontologist who,against the spirit of this article, has attempted to import their previous moral beliefs/confusions into their interpretation of "awesomism", then yeah. For random folks who intuitively lean towards deontology for "good", I think "awesome" is still going to be substantially more consequentialist.

Possibly. I'm honestly not sure which hypothesis would be more correct, at the moment. Testing it would probably be a good idea, if we had the resources to do it. (Do we have the resources for that? I wouldn't expect it, but weirder things have happened.)

Maybe next year's survey could have some scenarios that ask for an awesomeness ranking, and some other scenarios that ask for a goodness raking, and some more with a rightness ranking. Then we could see how people's intuitions vary with whether they claim to be deontologist or consequentialist, and with prompting wording. This could put the claims in the OP here on a more solid footing than "this works for me".

I don't think that would work. People here tend to be more consequentialist than I've seen from people not from here, so we'd probably not be able to see as much of a difference. Plus, the people here are hardly what I'd call normal and are more homogeneous than a more standard set of people. To effectively test that, we'd have to conduct that survey with a more random group of people. I mean, that survey would work, but the sample should be different than the contributors of LessWrong.

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