Comment author: ata 31 May 2010 09:50:29AM *  8 points [-]

Reply to this comment if you found LW through Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality!

A survey for anyone who cares to respond (edit: specifically for people who did find LW through HPMoR):

  1. Had you already registered an account before seeing this? (Edit: That is, had you already registered an account for a reason other than to reply to this comment?) If not, had you been planning or expecting to?
  2. Have you been reading through the sequences, or just generally looking around and lurking?
  3. What new rationality skills that you learned from HPMoR or LW have you found most useful? Most interesting? Most change-the-way-you-look-at-everything-ly?
  4. Have you referred anyone else to HPMoR? Have you referred anyone else to LW?
Comment author: fraa 04 July 2010 02:05:08PM *  3 points [-]
  1. Yes, I made an account shortly after I read HPatMoR.
  2. I've been taking peeks here and there. I mean I was aware of Less Wrong existing before. I've read stuff by Eliezer before, specifically the first contact story, and I found it fun if extremely formulaic and didactic. It was a pleasant surprise for me, that I could find something so stilted so fun.
  3. I haven't noticed anything I haven't heard of before.
  4. I've referred people to HPatMoR but not LW.
Comment author: RichardKennaway 17 June 2010 09:58:42AM *  5 points [-]

Someone other than me should say this, but: please don't let one person drive you away.

It's just that the comments you've made so far on LW are all at least a step removed from actually telling what you think and why.

Comment author: fraa 17 June 2010 10:03:25AM 5 points [-]

Yes, I'm sorry, I had a mini-panic episode. It's absurd for me to react in these ways, all my posting so far was automatic talk which I didn't actually think. I'm still recovering from years of untreated anxiety and ADHD. I will post something coherent when I'm better.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 17 June 2010 09:29:47AM *  1 point [-]

I suspect we may attach different meanings to the word "argument". I meant only "a contribution to a useful discussion".

mattnewport linked to a section of a Wikipedia article discussing controversies about ADHD, which itself links to a longer Wikipedia article devoted to those controversies. The references there (some hundreds) make it clear that there are in fact controversies about ADHD, even among professionals within the field of psychiatry. Your response is merely to claim that:

ADHD is controversial only among anti-rationalists

I can't even tell from that whether you think there is such a condition or there isn't.

Comment author: fraa 17 June 2010 09:47:17AM 0 points [-]

If after my reply you still can't tell, then I'd better not post here. It's better for both me and this community.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 17 June 2010 08:13:41AM 0 points [-]

He said why: the reasons that mattnewport linked to.

But you have given no reason for your opposite view. (Calling people "anti-rationalists" is not an argument.)

Comment author: fraa 17 June 2010 09:09:41AM *  0 points [-]

What on Earth made you think this is some argument? I was making an observation, that I don't see why he is fearful of quacks/homeopaths/nutritionists here, this seems like the last place you could find them. People who assume everything on the Internet is an argument, well it says a lot about them.

Comment author: Vladimir_M 10 May 2010 02:54:52AM *  4 points [-]

You're allowed to say "X is the action I would want to take, but I wouldn't be able to"

I don't think this statement is logically consistent. Unless you're restrained by some outside force, if you don't do something, that means you didn't want to do it. You might hypothesize that you would have wanted it within some counterfactual scenario, but given the actual circumstances, you didn't want it.

The only way out of this is if we dispense with the concept of humans as individual agents altogether, and analyze various modules, circuits, and states in each single human brain as distinct entities that might be struggling against each other. This might make sense, but it breaks down the models of pretty much all standard ethical theories, utilitarian and otherwise, which invariably treat humans as unified individuals.

But regardless of that, do you accept the possibility that at least in some cases, bullet-biting on moral questions might be the consequence of a failure of imagination, not exceptional logical insight?

Comment author: fraa 17 June 2010 08:12:35AM 1 point [-]

I am a bit confused OTOH why non-ADHD people (without akrasia, a term I just learned here on this webssite) find such questions interesting at all. To me, no matter what "system of morals" you may have, it's mostly useless thinking, because it's not like what I do depends that much on what I actually want to do, in my self-awareness.

Comment author: Kevin 11 May 2010 06:48:00AM *  2 points [-]

That's the reason. It's more debatable if ADHD even exists, and especially controversial given the high rate of medicating children diagnosed with ADHD.

Comment author: fraa 17 June 2010 07:42:31AM -3 points [-]

ADHD is controversial only among anti-rationalists, and this is a place for rationalists to gather so... I'm not sure why you said that.