Comment author: ike 28 November 2014 03:43:49AM 5 points [-]

Well, as the post is mainly dealing with hostile arguers that have ultimate power over you, that seems justified. Play around with looking for "challenging and enlightening" arguments when it's not so dangerous.

In response to comment by ike on The Hostile Arguer
Comment author: geniuslevel20 29 November 2014 08:36:42PM *  -8 points [-]

The post arrives at its conclusions by way of an example involving ultimate power. But it's conclusions go far beyond:

"Never try to defend a proposition against a hostile arguer.[2] They do not care."

LW denizens have turned into a clique fearful a hostile word will damage their fragile identities. They might as well be feminists.

Comment author: dxu 29 November 2014 03:17:46AM *  5 points [-]

I have no horse in this race, but I note that right after saying this,

You read someone's mind and accuse them of making a "dominance attempt" because you don't like the writing style.

you proceed to say this, doing the exact same thing you condemn wedrifid for doing:

You have developed a plethora of self-protective rationalizations, hostile arguer, clever arguer, anything but your own inability to defend your positions in actual debate... Your own dominance strivings (and chronic injustice collecting) keep you from engaging in argument honestly.

Irony much?

In response to comment by dxu on The Hostile Arguer
Comment author: geniuslevel20 29 November 2014 07:27:26PM -7 points [-]

No successful irony; only your special pleading. I didn't criticize Werdifred for mind reading, which all humans are fully capable of. I criticized him for mind reading based on his mere dislike of the manner of expression employed by common_law.

What is truly ironic is indeed that Werdifred (Weird Fred?) is the epitome of what the lead essay condemns: arguing to establish personal dominance. Isn't that plainly obvious? Can you honestly deny it, or is an actual example beyond the pale?

Let me take the opportunity to disagree with common_law on one important point. There's nothing necessarily better about the faux-naive arguer than the "clever arguer." Sometimes arguing a position tendentiously is a good way to test it. Take one example. Relative to E.Y., Robin Hanson is a "clever arguer." But Hanson is the superior intellectual and is ultimately more intellectually honest.

Comment author: wedrifid 28 November 2014 10:25:34PM 3 points [-]

Can't imagine who'd have guessed your exact intention just based on your initial response, though.

You are probably right and I am responsible for managing the predictable response to my words. Thankyou for the feedback.

Comment author: geniuslevel20 28 November 2014 11:47:19PM *  -8 points [-]

My god, you're a pompous ass. You read someone's mind and accuse them of making a "dominance attempt" because you don't like the writing style.

"You should consider" seems simply to have been an attempt to be polite. Inept, perhaps, but hardly "condescending."

You have developed a plethora of self-protective rationalizations, hostile arguer, clever arguer, anything but your own inability to defend your positions in actual debate.

And then, so what if it were condescending? Your own dominance strivings (and chronic injustice collecting) keep you from engaging in argument honestly.

In response to Power and difficulty
Comment author: geniuslevel20 26 October 2014 03:11:57AM 3 points [-]

As instrumental rationalists, this is the territory we want to be in. We want to beat the market rate for turning effort into influence.

Would someone be so kind as to direct me to a forum for epistemic rationalists?

[Who wants to talk to folks about important matters when they declare their willingness to deceive even themselves if it gets them what they want?]

Comment author: pragmatist 07 June 2014 06:38:54AM 4 points [-]

I'm assuming "false" here is based on the assumption that upvotes/downvotes should be a reflection of the voter's opinion of the particular comment being voted on, not his or her opinion of the user making the comment without regard to the content of the comment itself. Mass downvoting seems like a strategy for conveying a message about a user, not a comment, and that is plausibly a subversion of the karma system's intent.

Comment author: geniuslevel20 09 June 2014 05:21:08AM -3 points [-]

That rationale for the karma system would be the rankest hypocrisy. To facilitate the upvoting of particular commenters—regardless of content—LW records karma totals.

Comment author: geniuslevel20 09 June 2014 03:18:16AM *  -4 points [-]

No rule prohibited mass downvoting. Who is to say (retroactively!) that a voter cannot rationally and sincerely determine that the best signal he or she can provide is one that is negative about a particular poster, based on generalizations about the content? E.Y. has advised users that they need not have a rational reason to downvote; not liking something suffices. Well, why not dislike everything by some poster?

This site, moreover, implies that voting is anonymous. Trike arrogated the right to determine voter identity: it invaded the user's privacy!

The karma system is inherently corrupt and manipulative. That you have to violate posters' rights to make it work is just further proof.

Comment author: geniuslevel20 08 June 2014 08:34:50PM *  0 points [-]

Commenters minunderstand your problem and your argument for its solution. I take your problem to be "What could the probability of a mathematical proposition be besides its comparative likelihood of proof or disproof?

Perhaps the answer is that there are reasons besides proof to believe even a mathematical proposition. Empirical reasons, that is.

Comment author: geniuslevel20 06 June 2014 04:16:09AM 1 point [-]

While these are all interesting empirical findings, there’s a very similar phenomenon that’s much less debated and which could explain many of these observations, but I think gets too little popular attention in these discussions.

But you don't explain the findings!

I once asked a room full of about 100 neuroscientists whether willpower depletion was a thing,

I don't even know what that question is supposed to mean.

In response to How I Am Productive
Comment author: geniuslevel20 02 September 2013 11:37:19PM 2 points [-]

You overemphasize that this worked for you and made you productive. It's not just a matter of different strokes for different folks. It's more basic: you really don't know that your productivity increase is due to the particular techniques, and the nontestimonal evidence for the techniques is weak or nonexistent. (For example, commenters have pointed out that they can find nothing rigorous on prodromo.)

Anti-procrastination is like dieting. Achieving a large weight loss over eight months doesn't make the diet effective: most people regain the lost weight.

Expect your results not only to regress to the mean but also to be subject to the same yoyo effect as dieting. You are probably creating a long-term willpower deficit that will ultimately take its toll.

Sorry for the pessimism, but you're creating unrealistic expectations in your audience.

Comment author: Nornagest 27 July 2013 06:54:02AM *  5 points [-]

The main question is why is automation associated with unemployment today when it wasn't in the past.

It was, or at least has been at some points. Our word "Luddite" originally referred to members of an an anti-automation movement active in the early 19th century, which believed that powered looms and similar devices would lead to unemployment among the artisan classes.

In actual fact the Industrial Revolution ended up creating more jobs than it destroyed, thanks to lower prices for manufactured goods expanding the customer base, but the jobs that it created did demand less skill and were lower-paying than their predecessors, at least until the labor movement caught up. The analogy to the service sector's expansion at the expense of the manufacturing sector isn't perfect, but I think it's closer than you're giving it credit for.

Comment author: geniuslevel20 27 July 2013 07:46:44AM 1 point [-]

In comparing the skills of just the manufacturing jobs created and lost, you ignore the seismic and dominating change in the urban/rural ratio. The process can be seen at an accelerated rate today in China: peasants transformed into workers and getting paid higher income as the result, thus expanding the economy. Peasants to workers is a much weightier trend than skilled workers to unskilled workers.

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