Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 09 April 2009 01:40:18AM 6 points [-]

I was thinking about that - a clause for respecting teachers with great students, should they have them. It still gives people the right incentives.

Comment author: gucciCharles 26 September 2016 05:02:56AM 0 points [-]

Isn't teaching itself a skill? So what that she was a bad musician, she was obviously a first rate teacher (independent of the subject that she taught).

Comment author: MBlume 08 April 2009 09:57:10PM 5 points [-]

I do find cases like this surprising, though. What was it that she was able to teach to her students that she could not put to use herself?

Comment author: gucciCharles 26 September 2016 05:01:11AM 2 points [-]

She gives a pattern of feedback that makes the students practice well? In the sense that she gives positive feedback she functions more as a motivator than as a teacher. Her skill is teaching, it's only happenstance that she teaches music; has she taught shoe polishing or finger painting she would have produced the best shoe polishers and the most skilled finger painters.

Perhaps she doesn't have many complex skills but has strong fundamentals (think Tim Duncan of the NBA Spurs). She might make her students practice the fundamentals which will allow them to do more complex work as they get older.

Finally, she might have knowledge more advanced than her skill. She might not have the hand eye coordination or the processing speed to play sophisticated music but she might know how it's done. Imagine a 5 foot tall jewish guy that loves basketball. He's not gonna make the NBA. It's simply not gonna happen. However, he might understand the game better than many NBA players. Likewise he might be the best basketball coach in the world even though his athleticism (and hence his basketball playing skills) is less than that of NBA players. Likewise the teacher might have had a strong theoretical understanding but not have had the ability to put her theoretical knowledge into practice.

Comment author: chaosmage 13 June 2016 01:02:23AM 0 points [-]

GPS and cell connection.

Comment author: gucciCharles 05 September 2016 07:23:43PM 0 points [-]

I'm talking about in the case of the humans.

Comment author: AnnaSalamon 03 October 2015 09:26:02PM *  1 point [-]

I think so, roughly, although it's not like I have anything like metrics. (It's been 5 or 6 years.)

Comment author: gucciCharles 02 September 2016 01:21:01AM 0 points [-]

And where on the graph would you put yourself now?

In response to Two Growth Curves
Comment author: ChristianKl 02 October 2015 03:46:12PM 4 points [-]

I used to often hesitate to ask dumb questions, to publicly try skills I was likely to be bad at, or to visibly/loudly put forward my best guesses in areas where others knew more than me.

Do you actually lose status in your social groups by doing those things? Showing vunerability is often better for building connections with other people than looking cool.

Comment author: gucciCharles 02 September 2016 01:20:19AM 0 points [-]

To what degree does this hold. Yes, in certain cases showing vulnerability is endearing.

But imagine an anxious person that obviously struggles to talk to you, that forces herself to interact even though she's not very good at interactions. In this case the vulnerability isn't endearing at all. I've witnessed people in such situations and the result was non-edearing.

On the other hand, I think of a friend that has high status but always makes himself vulnerable, giggles and blushes. In his case vulnerability causes endearment.

I'm not claiming to know which essential feature separates the 2 cases. I am however explaining why the general 'vulnerability endears' is context specific. I does not seem to be the vulnerability, at least on its own in isolation, that causes the endorsement.

Comment author: chaosmage 21 May 2015 06:49:39PM 6 points [-]

Similar to true north, a sense that always points to a specific person. I think this might non-obvious use for people with poor attachment who can lose, on a deep level, a sense of being connected with someone when they're not physically around, and can need a while to build it up again when that person comes back. Also for young kids, who sometimes experience the sensation of not knowing where their mom is as quite traumatic.

Comment author: gucciCharles 11 June 2016 07:19:39AM 0 points [-]

How would that work though. This isn't magic and I assume that there is some feature of north (something like magnetics) that explains how this works. I mean, it must be the case that there is some feature of facing north that we can learn to detect. However how can you detect the direction of a person, it's not like they are likely to emit some kind of planet wide signal.