Comment author: gwillen 26 April 2015 02:58:54AM 1 point [-]

I tried to sign up (same username as LW), but when I try to log in I just get an error.

Comment author: selylindi 16 April 2015 04:48:43AM *  13 points [-]

In large formal groups: Robert's Rules of Order.

Large organizations, and organizations which have to remain unified despite bitter disagreements, developed social technologies such as RRoO. These typically feature meetings that have formal, pre-specified agendas plus a chairperson who is responsible for making sure each person has a chance to speak in an orderly fashion. Of course, RRoO are overkill for a small group with plenty of goodwill toward each other.

In small formal groups: Nonce agendas and rotating speakers

The best-organized small meetings I've ever attended were organized by the local anarchists. They were an independently-minded and fierce-willed bunch who did not much agree but who had common interests, which to my mind suggests that the method they used might be effectively adapted for use in LW meetups. They used the following method, sometimes with variations appropriate to the circumstances:

  1. Before and after the formal part of the meeting is informal social time.
  2. Call the meeting to order. Make any reminders the group needs and any explanatory announcements that newcomers would want to know, such as these rules.
  3. Pass around a clipboard for people to write agenda items down. All that is needed are a few words identifying the topic. (People can add to the agenda later, too, if they think of something belatedly.)
  4. Start with first agenda item. Discuss it (see below) until people are done with it. Then move on to the next agenda item. In discussing an agenda item, start with whoever added it to the agenda, and then proceed around the circle giving everyone a chance to talk.
  5. Whoever's turn it is, they not only get to speak, but they are the temporary chairperson also. If it helps, they can have a "talking stick" or "hot potato" or some physical object reminding everyone that it's their turn. They can ask questions for others to answer without giving up the talking stick. If you want to interrupt the speaker, you can raise your hand and they can call on you without giving up the talking stick.
  6. Any other necessary interruptions are handled by someone saying "point of order", briefly stating what they want, and the group votes on whether to do it.

In small informal groups: Natural leaders

Sometimes people have an aversion to groups that are structured in any manner they aren't already familiar and comfortable with. There's nothing wrong with that. You can approximate the above structure by having the more vocal members facilitate the conversation:

  • Within a conversation on a topic, deliberately ask people who aren't as talkative what they think about the topic.
  • When the conversation winds down on a topic, deliberately ask someone what's on their mind. Be sure to let everyone have a chance.
  • Tactfully interrupt people who are too fond of their own voices, and attempt to pass the speaker-role to someone else.
Comment author: gwillen 18 April 2015 12:41:49AM 0 points [-]

What happens in the anarchist group if someone does not wish to relinquish the stick? (Perhaps the very ethos of the group makes this unlikely. But I'm curious if there's a method for dealing with people who, as you put it in the third part, "are too fond of their own voices".)

Comment author: Unknowns 12 April 2015 02:03:10PM 51 points [-]

Scott Alexander.

Comment author: gwillen 12 April 2015 05:12:06PM *  8 points [-]

Just in case some people might not know where to find him: http://slatestarcodex.com/ (Remember to give parent comment your upvotes, not me, if you want to vote for him.)

Comment author: gwillen 12 April 2015 01:31:46AM 11 points [-]

Upvoted to encourage more people to ask LW for help in this way, which I think is good trend. But I would suggest a title that describes more specifically what the post is about (i.e. "LW, help me with my migraines" or something).

I have no advice on the migraines themselves but I wish you luck.

Comment author: Julia_Galef 08 April 2015 07:47:38PM 7 points [-]

I usually try to mix it up. A quick count shows 6 male examples and 2 female examples, which was not a deliberate choice, but I guess I can be more intentional about a more even split in future?

Comment author: gwillen 09 April 2015 08:13:23PM 3 points [-]

Oddly, I also came away with an impression of 'male pronoun as default', and on rereading it seems that e.g. I strongly noticed the male pronoun in 13, but did not notice the female pronoun in 14. I guess I've just been trained to notice default-male-pronoun usages. (You did also use 'singular they' in example 7, which to me reads much more naturally than pronoun alternation.)

Comment author: Dahlen 06 April 2015 02:24:12PM *  6 points [-]

1) Will its name be another pun on "Less Wrong", like it happened with More Right?

2) I still don't understand why it wouldn't simply be easier to create more subreddits for LW on different discussion topics, like it has been proposed a billion times in the past, as opposed to more and more websites springing up.

Comment author: gwillen 06 April 2015 11:04:08PM 4 points [-]

Easier for whom? The people making the proposals are not the same people who have the power to edit the LW site code, and my sense is that the people who have that power are generally no longer interested in (and/or do not have time for) making any significant use of it.

Comment author: Mitchell_Porter 03 April 2015 03:55:18AM 1 point [-]

Why doesn't your list of "things I've considered" include an option like, "Nutrition science is real science, and Campbell's work is correct"?

Comment author: gwillen 03 April 2015 04:00:31AM 4 points [-]

Given "I adopted the diet myself in 2010", I assume that's the option that the poster implicitly favors, and the question is why more people do not do the same.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 27 March 2015 09:32:03PM 20 points [-]

I hate disqus. It's hard to keep track of what you're read or haven't read, and since it doesn't load all comments automatically, it's inconvenient to search.

Comment author: gwillen 28 March 2015 03:02:34AM 5 points [-]

Seconding hatred for Disqus. I also find that it's extremely slow to load, and causes page scrolling to lag severely when the browser is under heavy load (i.e. lots of tabs open.) It also has the problem of any third-party code inclusion, that it allows the third party to track you across sites; for this reason I keep it blocked with Ghostery which I use to block ads and tracking.

Comment author: ChristianKl 10 March 2015 10:05:08PM 2 points [-]

Amelia paused. "There's a possibility that Augustus Rookwood left a ghost -"

"Exorcise it before anyone talks to it," Harry said, conscious of the sudden hammering of his heart.

"Yes, sir," the old witch said dryly. "I shall disrupt the soul's anchoring a little, and none shall be the wiser when it fails to materialize. The second matter is that there was a still-living human arm found among the Dark Lord's things -"

This seems like Amelia misplaying her cards for no good reason. I would expect her first to ask Harry what the ghost would tell her before accepting that she prevents the ghost from anchoring. Especially if she wants to test Harry political skills it would make sense to push him harder.

Comment author: gwillen 11 March 2015 06:07:21AM 7 points [-]

I read Harry's suggestion not to investigate, and her responding smirk, as indicating that's it's already tacitly understood that the good guys actually killed the death eaters somehow. This room seems likely to be pretty ok with that, maybe except McGonagall.

Comment author: gwillen 10 March 2015 03:56:29AM 4 points [-]

I think this is an interesting idea and I am intrigued by most of the applications.

The parenting one, though, seems kind of insane unless you terminate it at age 18, but most people just don't earn much before 18 so it wouldn't have very much effect. If you don't terminate it at age 18, you've effectively extended the age of legal childhood up through the point at which it does terminate; parents will continue to have cause to nag and berate their children long into adulthood, and they will. Even if you give them no legal right to control their children, you will have given them -- in both their children's eyes and their own -- a moral right to do so.

The relationship between a parent and a child has a MASSIVE power imbalance. You suggest that you might prohibit the situation where someone's output is part-owned by their employer -- presumably for that reason -- and you similarly should not let it be owned by their parent.

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