Link to said group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/100137206844878/
Anyone can join the group, right?
Yeah! I've had new people interested in the facebook group who are going to come!
Link to said group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/100137206844878/
Hooray!
Definitely looking forward to any new people
My answer was that you are inferring information that the question doesn't actually provide. Look at it closely and try to locate what the question even is.
"It would hurt the program's budget to treat them fairly" could be perfectly rational behavior. You don't know the event organizer's instrumental goals - although there does appear to be some disconnect between the expressed goals and the revealed preferences.
The event organizer's actions might even be legal ("Your contract is garbage," without a lot more context, is not a legal argument).
It's still a jerk move. And I sympathize with the people being hurt by it.
Still, I don't care about Cryonics events. I'm writing only to try and help you calibrate how to write persuasively and informatively.
I'm not trying to write persuasively. I already have all the information in the first place. I know the organizers reasons, she told them to me. I know the contract is garbage, I just looked at it last night to make certain I was actually corresponding fully with reality here. If I wanted to be persuasive I would have just laid all of that on the line. But I don't want to do that here. I'm not trying to persuade the people who don't believe me, I'm just trying to make sure anybody who seriously cares about this can see it, and knows they can get more information from me if they want it in order to better make a decision. Since it's relatively costless to simply ask me for the evidence, it's silly for anybody who seriously cares about the answer to complain that they don't believe me without even asking.
Hank,
That is not your call to make. If you don't like how the conference is run, don't go. Encourage others not to go by telling them how the event is organized, not by throwing around wild, entitled accusations of mental illness. There is no evidence that the conference organizer is mentally ill. Writing "lol" is the functional equivalent of pointing and laughing - what gave you the right to point and laugh? You shouldn't be surprised that appearing and being petty is not rewarded in this forum.
If you had written what iceman wrote, you wouldn't have been downvoted. NPOV writing enhances credibility, and you are going out of your way to avoid NPOV. In fact, you seem surprised that your wisecracking is not being appreciated.
I'm sympathetic to the people hurt by the conference organizer. I have suspicions about behind the scenes issues that the conference organizer has not revealed because the issues would make the organizer look bad - even if they aren't illegal or immoral or even the organizer's fault.
By contrast, your original post seems uninterested in their problems or in the quality of the conference, except as a bloody shirt for you to wield to support your ad hominem attacks.
So why don't you respond down here?
http://lesswrong.com/r/discussion/lw/gys/young_cryonicist_gathering_warning/8loh
Why don't you tell me that it's ok to screw our friends with an enormous, unexpected bill because your contract was garbage and it would hurt the program's budget to treat them fairly? Even though it's against all of your your own instrumental goals, even though you have no legal basis, even though that's an incredibly heartless, dick thing to do.
You seem to be suggesting that's perfectly rational behavior and not crazy at all, so why don't you elaborate on that.
The lady who runs this is quite literally, nuts.
I do not think this means what you think it means, but thanks for the funny image anyway.
The lady who runs this is quite literally, nuts.
I do not think this means what you think it means, but thanks for the funny image anyway.
I do not think this means what you think it means, but thanks for the funny image anyway.
The sad part for me is that I wasn't smart enough to figure out on the spot how to fully convince her to change her mind and make nobody here have to pay anything...
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--Paul Graham (When I saw this quote, I thought it had to have been posted before, but googling turned up nothing.)
Completely wrong.
As a software engineer at a company with way too much work to go around, I can tell you that making a "good effort" goes a long way. 90% of the time you don't have to "make it work or get a zero". As long as you are showing progress you can generally keep the client happy (or at least not firing you) as you get things done, even if you are missing deadlines. And this seems very much normal to me. I'm not sure where in the market you have to "make it work or get a zero". I'm not even convinced that exists.