Comment author: Locaha 27 January 2014 10:12:05AM -1 points [-]

Yes, but I woudn't expect that sentiment to really be all that gender-biased, though.

Historically at least, I would expect that sentiment to be gender-biased. It's easier to think of children as objects when you aren't the one who spends your whole day with them.

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Comment author: ikajaste 27 January 2014 01:24:05PM *  1 point [-]

Historically at least, I would expect that sentiment to be gender-biased.

Oh, historically sure! But I think these days in western culture, especially(1) among the group being discussed (people interested in this site), I wouldn't expect to see a large gender bias to that sentiment.

(1) [possible projection fallacy going on here, hard to know]

Comment author: Locaha 27 January 2014 09:16:55AM *  -2 points [-]

Hmm. Why does a comment like that lead to a preference to males?

A comment like that comes from a person who isn't even trying to imagine himself in a place of someone who is actually going to conceive and carry to term all those as many as they can children. A woman who reads this will correctly conclude that this isn't a place where she is considered a person.

It goes beyond that. The idea that children should be made as means for a cause is equally disgusting.

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Comment author: ikajaste 27 January 2014 09:53:05AM 2 points [-]

It goes beyond that. The idea that children should be made as means for a cause is equally disgusting.

Yes, but I woudn't expect that sentiment to really be all that gender-biased, though.

Comment author: Locaha 27 January 2014 09:16:55AM *  -2 points [-]

Hmm. Why does a comment like that lead to a preference to males?

A comment like that comes from a person who isn't even trying to imagine himself in a place of someone who is actually going to conceive and carry to term all those as many as they can children. A woman who reads this will correctly conclude that this isn't a place where she is considered a person.

It goes beyond that. The idea that children should be made as means for a cause is equally disgusting.

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Comment author: ikajaste 27 January 2014 09:28:27AM *  3 points [-]

Valid point. Thanks for the clarification.

Though to my experience, even women seem to think the the part that comes after is in fact more laborous that the carrying part - and that part can be equally shared between genders. Of course, it usually/traditionally isn't, so I guess that's a point towards male bias too.

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Comment author: baiter 24 January 2014 04:40:58PM *  -4 points [-]

Have no children, don't want any: 506, 31.3%

Have no children, uncertain if want them: 472, 29.2%

I'm horrified by this. Actually it's baseline irony at it's best -- here you've got a group of people infinitely more concerned with the future then most, yet many of them are against the lowest-hanging-fruit contribution one could make towards a better future. (I hope some of the shockingly high numbers are a by-product of the low average age and high amount of males, but, anyways, the inverse relationship between IQ and birthrate has been observed for a long time.)

Another angle from which to view this should appeal to the many people here who identified as Liberal, Progressive, Socialist, and Social-Justice-loving: class equality. If the current birthrates and demographic trends continue, we're looking at even greater social inequality than exists today: a tiny cognitive/financial elite that runs society, and a massive underclass that... does whatever else. A nation's economic inequality is apparently associated with all sorts of social ills.

Everyone who doesn't want to have kids (as many as they can, within reason) is both missing a major point of life and complicit in creating a dysgenic society -- which, btw, should be included on the list of existential risks.

Obligatory Idiocracy clip

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Comment author: ikajaste 27 January 2014 08:53:29AM 4 points [-]

[children are] the lowest-hanging-fruit contribution one could make towards a better future

Lowest-hanging? I consider having children to be quite a huge investment of my personal resources. How is that a low-hanging fruit?

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Comment author: Locaha 27 January 2014 07:13:10AM 1 point [-]

Not everybody see their lives as a big genetic experiment where their goal is to out-breed the opponents.

Everyone who doesn't want to have kids (as many as they can, within reason) is both missing a major point of life and complicit in creating a dysgenic society -- which, btw, should be included on the list of existential risks.

^ See this? This is one of the reasons this forum is 90% male.

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Comment author: ikajaste 27 January 2014 08:48:36AM *  2 points [-]

Everyone who doesn't want to have kids (as many as they can, within reason) is both missing a major point of life and complicit in creating a dysgenic society -- which, btw, should be included on the list of existential risks.

^ See this? This is one of the reasons this forum is 90% male.

Hmm. Why does a comment like that lead to a preference to males?

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Comment author: MathieuRoy 22 January 2014 06:22:11PM *  2 points [-]

P(Aliens in observable universe): 74.3 + 32.7 (60, 90, 99) [n = 1496] P(Aliens in Milky Way): 44.9 + 38.2 (5, 40, 85) [n = 1482]

There are (very probably around) 1.7x10^11 galaxies in the observable universe. So I don't understand how can P(Aliens in Milky Way) be so closed to P(Aliens in observable universe)? If P(Aliens in an average galaxy) = 0.0000000001, P(Aliens in observable universe) should be around 1-(1-0.0000000001)^(1.7x10^11)=0.9999999586. I know there are other factors that influence these numbers, but still, even if there's a only a very slight chance for P(Aliens in Milky Way), then P(Aliens in observable universe) should be almost certain. There are possible rational justifications for the results of this survey, but I think (0.95) most people were victim of a cognitive bias. Scope insensitivity maybe? because 1.7*10^11 galaxies is too big to imagine. What do you think?

Tendency to cooperate on the prisoner's dilemma was most highly correlated with items in the general leftist political cluster.

I wonder how many people cooperated only (or in part) because they knew the results would be correlated with their (political) views, and they wanted their "tribe"/community/group/etc. to look good. Maybe next year we could say that this result won't be compared to the other? So if less people cooperate, then it will indicate that maybe some people cooperate for their 'group' to look good. But if these people know that I/we want to compare the results we this year in order to verify this hypothesis, they will continue to cooperate. To avoid most of these, we should compare only the people that will have filled the survey for the first time next year. What do you think?

I ended up deleting 40 answers that suggested there were less than ten million or more than eight billion Europeans, on the grounds that people probably weren't really that far off so it was probably some kind of data entry error, and correcting everyone who entered a reasonable answer in individuals to answer in millions as the question asked.

I think you shouldn't have corrected anything. When I assign a probability to the correctness of my answer, I included a percentage for having misread the question or made a data entry error.

This year's results suggest that was no fluke and that we haven't even learned to overcome the one bias that we can measure super-well and which is most easily trained away. Disappointment!

Would some people be interested in answering 10 such questions and give their confidence about their answer every month? That would provide better statistics and a way to see if we're improving.

Comment author: ikajaste 27 January 2014 08:44:58AM 1 point [-]

I wonder how many people cooperated only (or in part) because they knew the results would be correlated with their (political) views, and they wanted their "tribe"/community/group/etc. to look good.

I don't think the responses of people here would be so much affected by directly wanting to present their own social group as good. However (false) correlation between those two could happen just because of framing by other questions.

E.g. the answer to prisoner's dilemma question might be affected by whether you've just answered "I'm associated with the political left" or whether you've just answered "I consider rational calculations to be the best way to solve issues".

If that is the effect causing a false correlation, then adding the statment "these won't be correlated" woudn't do any good - in fact, it would only serve as a further activation for the person to enter the political-association frame.

This is a common problem with surveys that isn't very easy to mitigate. Individually randomizing question order and analyzing differences in correlations based on presented question order helps a bit, but the problem still remains, and the sample size for any such difference-in-correlation analysis becomes increasingly small.

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Comment author: FiftyTwo 24 January 2014 03:21:26PM 0 points [-]

Were there any significant differences between lurkers and posters? Would be interesting to see if that indicates any entry barriers to commenting.

Comment author: ikajaste 27 January 2014 08:23:41AM 0 points [-]

I wonder what would be the possible indications about entry barriers? I would think they'd be much easier to address by direct survey query to lurkers about that specific issue.

While of course very interesting, I'm afarid trying to find any such specific and interpretation-inclined results from a general survey will probably just lead to false paths.

... which, I guess, is rather suitable as a first comment of a lurker. :)