Comment author: jhuffman 10 January 2012 10:14:11PM 1 point [-]

This article isn't about intelligence, its about innovation. He's talking specifically about the "lightbulb moment" - the inspriation part of invention. I don't think there is anything at all original about the article except the tortured analogy to evolution.

Comment author: DanielLC 10 January 2012 06:42:34PM 13 points [-]

Ideas are not just natural selection. People do not design computers by randomly messing with transistors of their last version. People do not change computer programs by randomly altering lines of code. It would not work in any feasible time period.

There are things that you can design that way. There are things where that's the best way we know how to design them. That's why genetic algorithms are sometimes very useful. Not everything is like that. That's why we don't use genetic algorithms for everything.

Also, the lack of innovation he talks about seems to be largely that we're not reinventing the wheel. If there's nothing to stop you from stealing ideas, then there won't be sufficient innovation, but that's what we have intellectual property rights for.

Comment author: jhuffman 10 January 2012 10:11:09PM *  2 points [-]

Well, I don't know how other programmers do things, but what I do is I create models at various levels of abstractions, and play with those models until it occurs to me what ought to happen next. Like, I draw on the whiteboard with someone, and we generate all the known solutions we have and usually a known solution or pattern just needs to be adapted. So we're copying. Often, the adaptions aren't immediately obvious when you go down a couple levels and start actually coding it, and so I play around with a couple of different ideas, or maybe I'm guided by theory and just have to think it through and problem solve for this circumstance - which would be copying.

If I'm dissatisfied at any point and have exhausted my search space, what I'm going to do next is enlarge that search space by talking to more people or doing research. Copying.

Every now and then - but pretty rarely - something novel will occur to me that will out-compete all the ideas I already have or can find in research. And so there a new idea made it into the code. And if someone asks me how I came up with, I'll just describe the problem, and the search space and the research and so on, and then shrug. Because the idea seems pretty obvious in hindsight I just shrug away this question of where the idea came from.

It would be difficult to overstate the power of our abstraction and modeling, because it allows us to quickly test for fitness a rash of approaches iteratively. And in the process of that novel ideas do occur and get worked in and then communicated. But I am not at all certain the genesis of most of those ideas isn't more or less random, in the sense the author means it. Indeed most engineering work is copying, as the author terms it.

Comment author: wedrifid 10 January 2012 01:07:49AM *  1 point [-]

What if we sold African hunting licenses for enough money that for each victim, enough money would be raised for a charity that would save two African children's lives?

I don't support your right-to-hunt-Africans initiative.

Comment author: jhuffman 10 January 2012 05:37:12PM 0 points [-]

It is very presumptuous of you to assume that I have an intiative like this. What I was really asking you is if there is any utilons offset that would change your mind - but I guess that really just amounts to asking if you are a utilitarian.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 10 January 2012 03:04:16PM 1 point [-]

Not complimentary because the story has too much "Yay, us!"?

Comment author: jhuffman 10 January 2012 03:16:03PM 2 points [-]

I suppose that is one thing. I've been trying to figure out exactly what it is that bothers me about it, and I think my problem is that it suggests that Transhumanists are looking for some authoritative feedback that they are on the right path. Not that anyone would confuse this story for such feedback - but if it fills a hole then I guess I'm not happy to find out that I or anyone else in the target audience has a hole there for it fill.

Comment author: anonym 10 January 2012 04:30:05AM 3 points [-]

Do you mean complimentary, and not complementary?

Comment author: jhuffman 10 January 2012 01:16:07PM 3 points [-]

Yes I did, thanks!

Comment author: khafra 09 January 2012 05:04:45PM 0 points [-]

His analogy to blindsight seemed enlightening. One could say that animals do not experience pain in the same way that someone with blindsight does not see a baseball hurtling toward his face.

Comment author: jhuffman 09 January 2012 10:05:45PM 1 point [-]

Yeah I can just imagine the coyote thinking "oh weird I'm running away from this snake and yiping. I wonder what thats all about.".

Comment author: wedrifid 09 January 2012 04:07:03AM -1 points [-]

I've heard that murder only gets easier.

"Euthanize" sounds slightly better.

Comment author: jhuffman 09 January 2012 09:59:52PM 4 points [-]

I agree let's euphemise them.

Comment author: [deleted] 07 January 2012 08:24:16PM 9 points [-]

When a bee is stuck flying against the window desperately trying to get free, I help it.
When a spider is in some place where I know it will starve to death or get crushed, I put it outside.
When an injured bird needs some time to pull itself together and avoid being eaten by the cat, I'll spend hours babying it.

As a human, I feel empathy for other beings, and I project a conscious sentient being on them. Even though I know that there is no such conscious being, it still gets constructed and empathized with, whether I like it or not. Faced with this, I have a choice:

  1. Act on my feelings of empathy, thereby practicing the habit of doing the right thing, and using a bit of time.

  2. Put on my murder face and ignore the imaginary suffering, thereby practicing moral indifference, to save a bit of time.

From a purely instrumental perspective, I think choosing #1 is a good idea. Practicing morality seems much better than practicing indifference, even if the practice situation is imaginary.

That's how I like to think about animal suffering.

Comment author: jhuffman 09 January 2012 09:57:27PM 1 point [-]

I've heard it said that animal cruelty should be avoided for what it does to us as the perpetrator more than for what it is actually doing to the animal.

In response to comment by Solvent on Non-theist cinema?
Comment author: wedrifid 09 January 2012 06:20:51AM 2 points [-]

I know that this is one of those questions that can take a long answer, so feel free to answer in summary form. But why do you think that?

I might expand later but briefly: Because I significantly negatively value Africans being hunted for sport. I'm arbitrary like that.

Comment author: jhuffman 09 January 2012 09:30:27PM 1 point [-]

What if we sold African hunting licenses for enough money that for each victim, enough money would be raised for a charity that would save two African children's lives?

Comment author: jhuffman 09 January 2012 05:23:13PM 4 points [-]

I think many intelligent people will start with a bias that they are smarter than the average of a market, but the idea of risking property maybe boosts our awareness of the uncertainties we have about our own knowledge.

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