Comment author: Relsqui 05 October 2010 04:36:24AM 0 points [-]

Do you mean the Thai Temple, on Russell? (That'd be a block north of Ashby, and just off MLK behind the tool lending library.) Very distinctively temple-looking? If so, I know the place, but I haven't been there. Thanks for the heads up. :)

Comment author: josh0 05 October 2010 12:11:07PM 0 points [-]

I believe it's actually right down the street from the Thai Temple. Much less official looking. I haven't actually been though (always intended to go, and then ended up moving away before I did).

In response to comment by [deleted] on Understanding vipassana meditation
Comment author: Relsqui 04 October 2010 07:31:22PM *  1 point [-]

I support this.

I think the tricky part would be finding a cluster of interested people who are able to convene at the same place--especially given that they'd need both the ability to take ten days off normal life, and presumably money for the location, food, etc. (It's pretty easy to have free time or money, but tough to have both.)

Personally, I'm interested, not at all experienced, not able to travel far from the east SF bay (barring a carpool with someone local), and can't contribute funds, although I am willing and able to cook and do other work to help out, and it's not too hard for me to have ten days available.

Comment author: josh0 04 October 2010 09:47:51PM 3 points [-]

Not entirely relevant to this conversation, but:

there at least used to be regular vipassana meditation sessions led by monks from Abhayagiri and hosted at the Berkeley Zen Center (I think that's what it's called) on MLK near the Ashby BART station. Abhayagiri is a monastery in the Thai Forest tradition led, I believe, by a former student of the late Ajahn Chah; in my experience that's usually a pretty good indicator of a very result-oriented approach to meditation that eschews the supernatural talk in favor of the pursuit of practical goals (though in their case the 'practical goal' is enlightenment, so take that as you will).

Comment author: [deleted] 04 October 2010 01:37:57AM 12 points [-]

It could be amazing if we organized a vipassana course for rationalists.

We'd meet at a cabin in the woods. For 10 days we would meditate for 8 hours a day, take breaks by walking in the wilderness, and cook our meals together at night. It might even be beneficial if it wasn't entirely silent; we could discuss at night any insights we'd had that day.

Moving us one step closer to Bayesian Buddhist Conspiracy.

Seriously, any rationalist vipassana masters out there want to help make it happen?

In response to comment by [deleted] on Understanding vipassana meditation
Comment author: josh0 04 October 2010 03:47:36PM 2 points [-]

As an on-again off-again vipassana practitioner (I managed to maintain a regular practice while I was living in Boston, but that was largely due to the fact that the CIMC [1] was on my walk to/from work), I would love to get involved in a rationalist meditation group. In my experience it is much easier for me to maintain a regular practice with a group, but simultaneously difficult to become a real member of that group as most tend to approach meditation as a religious ritual rather than a worthwhile practice in its own right with practical value. Having a group of people to not only meditate with, but actually have productive conversation about the experience of meditating with would be phenomenal.

1 http://cimc.info/

Comment author: [deleted] 18 August 2010 03:46:37PM *  8 points [-]

I think largish fraction of the population have worries about human extinction / the end of the world. Very few associate this with the phrase "existential risk" -- I for one had never heard the term until after I had started reading about the technological singularity and related ideas. Perhaps rebranding of a sort would help you further the cause. Ditto for FAI - I think 'Ethical Artficial Intelligence' would get the idea across well enough and might sound less flakey to certain audiences.

In response to comment by [deleted] on Existential Risk and Public Relations
Comment author: josh0 21 August 2010 03:53:41AM 6 points [-]

It may be true that many are worried about 'the end of the world', however consider how many of them think that it was predicted by the Mayan calandar to occur on Dec. 21 2012, and how many actively want it to happen because they believe it will herald the coming of God's Kingdom on Earth, Olam Haba, or whatever.

We could rebrand 'existential risk' as 'end time' and gain vast numbers of followers. But I doubt that would actually be desirable.

I do think that Ethical Artificial Intelligence would strike a better chord with most than Friendly, though. 'Friendly' does sound a bit unserious.

In response to The Shabbos goy
Comment author: josh0 29 March 2010 01:37:57PM 5 points [-]

In regards to your postscript, it's certainly possible that the use of Shabos goyim by Orthodox Jews is logically consistent, but it doesn't stop there! One of, to me, the most fascinating examples of this sort of patching is Shabbat technology. The example that always strikes me is the Shabbat elevator, which is quite common in Israel. Basically, it's a normal elevator, except that during the appointed period of time it operates in a much different manner: constantly cycling through the floors and stopping on every single one. This way 'observant' Jews are able to get to the high floors without having to push a button. (There are actually a number of Modern Orthodox families in my 16 story apartment building in Maryland, but I think they use the stairs on Shabbat, especially as our elevators are more likely to break down than anything else...)

I suppose one could argue that the elevator has become a Shabbat robot and that robots, like goyim, are exempt from Halakha, but these technologies are designed and built for the sole purpose of, from the religious perspective, cheating God. It baffles me how anyone can actually see this as a valid use of technology while still claiming to observe Shabbat. Bill Maher actually visited a company that designs and builds a large variety of Shabbat machines in Israel in Religulous where they demonstrated some more such technologies such as a compressed air-powered Shabbat wheelchair.