Comment author: Bugmaster 27 November 2012 09:03:52AM 7 points [-]

“It's rusty too,” intones the Dungeonmaster, “and pieces of it keep breaking off. Look, you're not supposed to be farming. You're supposed to go into the forest and find the dark elves.

This is off-topic, but that anecdote should go right on top of the list of things every GM should avoid doing. Regardless of anyone's gender.

If your players want to plow the field, let them plow the field. If your players want to sit in the tavern getting drunk all day, let them sit there for a bit. When the inevitable dark elves attack and burn the fields for the tenth time (after stealing all the mead from the tavern), the combat you (the GM) crave will develop naturally.

The 3rd edition WFRP takes a more structured approach to the problem. The minions of Chaos (let's face it, it's always Chaos) get a track, with a pointer on it. Each time the players make a mistake, waste time, or bicker amongst themselves, the pointer moves up a notch. There are markers along the track; once the pointer passes the marker, certain events are set in motion, and the situation grows worse for our heroes; the exact details depend on the scenario. When the pointer reaches the end of the track, all hell breaks loose and the PCs get to make one desperate last stand against the forces of Chaos whom they failed to stop.

Comment author: kdorian 21 December 2012 05:19:52AM 0 points [-]

And that doesn't even bring up the fact that if the farmers have no way to plow the field once they are no longer being harassed, they're going to starve regardless of what the adventurers do to the elves.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 06 June 2012 04:37:33PM 2 points [-]

Huh. Their victims decide, rather than everyone they affect deciding?
I don't think I agree.

Comment author: kdorian 06 June 2012 11:53:53PM *  2 points [-]

I can't see how but that both the victims, and everyone else they affect, deciding. That doesn't mean they'll all come to the same conclusion, of course.

I'm pretty sure that's where politics comes from, personally...

Edited to add: I do not mean to imply that if one group decides X, another Y, and a third Z, that it necessarily means that any of them are wrong.

Comment author: wedrifid 03 June 2012 10:08:29PM *  -2 points [-]

About your gripe with use of the word impossible: it's a quote. Most of the quotes are like applause-lights.

Yes, it's an applause light. It isn't one that made me applaud. It isn't a rationalist quote. It doesn't belong here.

Just mentally replace 'impossible' in that sentence

No. I instead choose to mentally replace the quote entirely with a better one and oppose this one. Even Nike's "Just Do It" is strictly superior as rationalist quote, despite being somewhat lacking in actionable detail.

Comment author: kdorian 06 June 2012 03:13:54PM 2 points [-]

It isn't a rationalist quote. It doesn't belong here.

I am forced to disagree; a quote about conquering the (colloquially) impossible with sufficient thought and planning is very appropriate for this site.

Comment author: bramflakes 05 June 2012 11:49:04PM *  2 points [-]

"Most people have a wrong map, therefore we should use multiple maps" doesn't follow. Reversed stupidity isn't intelligence, and in this case Aristotle appears to have been right all along.

If I'm out charting the oceans, I'd probably need to use multiple maps because the curvature of the Earth makes it difficult to accurately project it onto a single 2D surface, but I do that purely for the convenience of not having to navigate with a spherical map. I don't mistake my hodge-podge of inaccurate 2D maps for the reality of the 3D globe.

Comment author: kdorian 06 June 2012 03:03:15PM 4 points [-]

No, but your "hodge-podge of inaccurate 2D maps", while still imperfect, is more accurate than relying on a single 2-D map - which is the point I took from the original quote.

Comment author: [deleted] 05 June 2012 10:45:00PM 6 points [-]

They do this partially because they misremember their own behavior

FFS, how can people misremember who they voted for in an election with only two plausible candidates?

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Comment author: kdorian 06 June 2012 02:58:00PM 5 points [-]

I suspect, with no data to back me up, that is those who were ambivalent when they stepped into the polling booth that genuinely misremember. Others know they voted for the other guy, but want to be seen as one of the 'winners'.

Comment author: kdorian 06 June 2012 02:53:10PM 4 points [-]

There is a condition worse than blindness, and that is seeing something that isn't there.

Thomas Hardy

Comment author: kdorian 06 June 2012 02:48:55PM *  0 points [-]

Very few people see their own actions as truly evil.... It is left to their victims to decide what is evil and what is not.

Laurell K. Hamilton

A quote I find useful when considering both rationalizing, and the differences of relative perspective.

Comment author: kdorian 06 June 2012 02:42:53PM -1 points [-]

Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative.

William S. Burroughs

Comment author: kdorian 05 May 2012 02:50:32PM 2 points [-]

Our very survival depends on our ability to stay awake, to adjust to new ideas, to remain vigilant and to face the challenge of change.

- Martin Luther King Jr.

Comment author: kdorian 05 May 2012 02:47:10PM 4 points [-]

We will find the key to our liberation only when we accept that what we once did to survive is now destroying us.

- Laura van Dernoot Lipsky

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