I'm planning on coming too. It will be my first less wrong meetup, anything I need to know beforehand?
Meetup : London Special Guests: Jaan Tallinn and Michael Vassar of MetaMed
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We have three specials guests! Jaan, Michael, and Cat (see below) are flying in to the UK and will be joining us for a meetup. As usual, it is simply a few people with common interests chatting for a few hours. Anyone can come along, don't feel like you need to have read the sequences. It's a fun way to spend a few hours. It's also nice to have people to bounce ideas off - we are a friendly bunch. Hope to see you there, For more information see our google group (link below) or message me (kerspoon) Guests: - Jaan Tallinn, who participated in the development of Skype and Kazaa. - Michael Vassar, the former president of the Singularity Institute and current Chief Science Officer of MetaMed. - Cat Lavigne, CFAR instructor. See: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/lesswronglondon/_h6lGBjnO9Q http://lesswrong.com/r/discussion/lw/had/michael_vassar_in_europe/ http://lesswrong.com/r/discussion/lw/h95/want_to_have_a_cfar_instructor_visit_your_lw_group/
Discussion article for the meetup : London Special Guests: Jaan Tallinn and Michael Vassar of MetaMed
I wish I could see a doctor-statistician. Or at least a doctor who understood statistics.
Hmm ... quality, really. One of the functions of Discussion is posts that aren't ready for main. That's what I meant, that this post is good enough for that.
Do you have enough karma now to move it to main? If so you should. Or maybe a moderator can.
I do not know how to move it. If you think it should can you please ask a moderator.
For the most part, my response to recommendation 1 is: this won't be much use. It is hard enough remembering "the bottom line" without also remembering the source or evidence. Most fact-learning occasions call instead for a snap judgment on the quality of the source or evidence, followed by accepting or rejecting or setting some quasi-probabilistic attitude toward the information, and then spending no more mental energy on the evidence. In those cases, the evidence is usually soon forgotten. So, most fact-recalling occasions are not going to reveal my reason for the alleged fact.
Obviously there are exceptions. If the information is controversial and I intend to share it, then I'll try remembering the source. Or better, bookmarking a link or taking notes.
Please see my response to Viliam and ShardPhoenix.
I can't imagine having such database in a human mind. For every fact you would have to remember who told you about it (sometimes multiple people) and maybe also when they told it etc., so for each fact you would need something like a Wikipedia "talk page".
I'm honestly curious. Think of a fact, and then ask yourself why you know it. Out of 5 attempts how many did you actually have no idea why that fact is there.
I would expect if I were to ask people why do you think daffodil flowers need lots of water they would at least say something like, oh I heard it somewhere (assuming that the do indeed believe this). From this I would choose to shift my belief only very very slightly.
A difficulty is that it can often be hard to identify why we believe something - either we've forgotten how we came to believe it, or we believe it because or the accumulation of lots of small pieces of information that are hard to summarize.
I know facts about Zimbardo's prison experiment because I studied it in University. I know the feeling a nail makes when I hit it with a hammer because I have done it. I know Greece has been granted a second bailout because I overheard someone talking about reading it in the news.
These are things that I know why I know them. I guess that you would be able to give me reasons why you think the world is round.
It is harder when there are many small pieces of evidence. I hadn't thought of that. And I agree that my reccomendations are not possible to do all the time.
I would be happy to revise them to only apply when receiving facts you find surprising or you expect the other person to be surprised. That way we only need two, well defined stop signs in our system 1 thinking. Stop sign one is when we hear "I believe ..." find which category it fits into. Sign two is when we are surprised by a fact reply with " fascinating, where did you hear that".
This should be on main.
This is my first post, I was unable to post on main.
I am also unaware of how I should decide where to post. What makes a main post?
First occurrence:
When John says "My map has a bridge at grid reference 234567", I should add a note to my map saying "John's map has a bridge at grid reference 234567"
Second occurrence:
I should add a note to my map saying "John has the following note on his map: 'I believe there is a bridge at grid reference 234567'".
Was this slight difference intentional (one has you add a note that there is a bridge on his map; the second has you add a note that he has a note that he believes there is a bridge)?
What happens too often is that we directly add "The sky is green" to our beliefs.
Maybe. I wonder if too often we get out our eraser and immediately start trying to erase on their map.
The difference was very intentional. I wanted to make clear the extra level of indirection between the two phrases. In the second case John may not actually have a bridge on his map at the indicated point, all we know is that he has the note saying that he believes there is a bridge there. It should logically follow that he should only say he believe something to be on his map if is it actually on his map. The point I was trying to make is that sometimes these things do not follow.
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Perhaps add London to the title so people can see that there is a London meetup by glancing and not only after they've visited the thread?
Thanks, I assumed that was done automatically. I have fixed it (hopefully).