Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 29 March 2012 10:22:55PM 12 points [-]

Anna says we're still looking at locations but it's looking at around $115/person/night just for lodging + meals, and that the 3-day camps actually include 4 nights the way everyone counts things and we have to purchase it. Anna also notes that she and Julia and Michael get $3k/month and this takes way more of their time than just the actual days. So definitely not a Singinst fundraiser. That data is available very easily so I'm posting it right now.

A specific example of an exercise from last year's minicamp that a lot of people liked was "Value of Information" which included the technical details of how to calculate VoI and exercises in being sensitive to particular forms of scope (how much does it cost, how long does it last, how often does it happen).

We're still working out the program which is why it's not posted even tentatively (we were just in the middle of some agonizing about priorities).

Comment author: lessdazed 29 March 2012 10:29:39PM 5 points [-]

I have friends and relatives who live in the area. How central to the camp is the communal living aspect? What would you charge to commute to it, if that is possible?

Comment author: [deleted] 29 March 2012 10:18:41PM *  20 points [-]

Applied. Looks good. Might decide it's not worth it, but you make a good case.

One thing. 0 to 10 ratings are utterly useless. The median is almost always around 7, for almost anything. Please give us calibrated statistics, not subjective pseudo-quantities where most of the contribution is from noise and offset.

Reminds me of business planning types ranking alternatives 1..n and then treating the indexes as utilities. ick. TYPE ERROR.

Comment author: lessdazed 29 March 2012 10:23:36PM 3 points [-]

The median is almost always around 7, for almost anything.

I tried to take that into account when reading.

treating the indexes as utilities

Please explain.

Comment author: orthonormal 29 March 2012 09:43:21PM 3 points [-]

Replace "glad I went" with a better criterion- that question deserves a good response.

Comment author: lessdazed 29 March 2012 10:18:40PM 3 points [-]

"Is there evidence this will be worthwhile according to my values now, independently of how it might change my values?"

"Is there evidence that this is instrumentally useful for more than warm fuzzies?"

"Is there evidence that for the probable benefit of this event the costs are substantially optimized for it? I.e., if the benefit is substantially social, even if this would be worth flying around the world for, a program could actually be optimized for social benefits, and/or I could attend a closer/cheaper/shorter program with similar benefits to me."

"Regardless of anyone's intent, what is this program optimized for?"

"How's the food?"

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 29 March 2012 08:48:21PM -3 points [-]

You'll be able to explain the math behind what you do.

Comment author: lessdazed 29 March 2012 09:38:29PM 3 points [-]

It's easy to imagine a Christian brainwashing retreat run by someone similar to Luke that would also have that property.

Comment author: SilasBarta 29 March 2012 08:16:09PM *  8 points [-]

7b) Is there any evidence I'll be glad I went that a Christian retreat could not produce just as easily?

Edit: Okay, 15 seconds to this being downvoted was a little hasty.

Comment author: lessdazed 29 March 2012 09:38:20PM 1 point [-]

7b) Is there any evidence I'll be glad I went that a Christian brainwashing retreat could not produce just as easily?

If you went to a Jehovah's Witness retreat, and were in an accident, and you were conscious enough to refuse a blood transfusion, you'd be glad for having learned what you did at the retreat, even if you knew the refusal would be fatal.

In general, anything that is compelling and affects your decisions will make you glad for it, and its being compelling is probably not inversely related to its being true. So I'm not too concerned that my tentative answer to this question is "no."

Comment author: lessdazed 20 March 2012 07:57:36PM 3 points [-]

you'll find that people are searching for "less wrong cult" and "singularity institute cult" with some frequency.

Maybe a substantial number of people are searching for the posts about cultishness.

Comment author: wedrifid 16 March 2012 03:04:48AM *  3 points [-]

*cough* Mine is 'delete the sentence entirely'. I never really liked that virtues page anyway!

Comment author: lessdazed 20 March 2012 07:50:08PM 1 point [-]

I entirely agree with this.

Comment author: [deleted] 19 March 2012 02:17:07AM 1 point [-]

Unless I'm misinterpreting things, it looks like lessdazed means that Cartesian dualism is so insane that using the word "just" doesn't do it justice.

Comment author: lessdazed 19 March 2012 11:04:17PM 1 point [-]

That's what I intended.

Comment author: lessdazed 19 March 2012 11:03:03PM *  1 point [-]

Can someone provide the full text of this?

Slippery slope arguments (SSAs) have a bad philosophical reputation. They seem, however, to be widely used and frequently accepted in many legal, political, and ethical contexts. Hahn and Oaksford (2007) argued that distinguishing strong and weak SSAs may have a rational basis in Bayesian decision theory. In this paper three experiments investigated the mechanism of the slippery slope showing that they may have an objective basis in category boundary re-appraisal.

Also this:

...he argued that the very reasons that can make SSAs strong arguments mean that we should be poor at abiding by the distinction between good and bad SSAs, making SSAs inherently undesirable. We argue that Enoch’s meta-level SSA fails on both conceptual and empirical grounds.

Comment author: lessdazed 09 March 2012 10:51:02PM 1 point [-]

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