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Comment author: lukeprog 18 June 2013 12:15:08AM 6 points [-]

Probably belongs in the latest Open Thread.

Comment author: lukeprog 16 June 2013 03:09:27AM 3 points [-]

In the Manhattan project, the "will bombs ignite the atmosphere?" question was analyzed and dismissed without much (to our knowledge) double-checking. The amount of risk checking per hour of human capital available can be expected to increase over time...

It's not much evidence, but the two earliest scientific investigations of existential risk I know of, LA-602 and the RHIC Review, seem to show movement in the opposite direction: "LA-602 was written by people curiously investigating whether a hydrogen bomb could ignite the atmosphere, and the RHIC Review is a work of public relations."

Perhaps the trend you describe is accurate, but I also wouldn't be surprised to find out (after further investigation) that scientists are now increasingly likely to avoid serious analysis of real risks posed by their research, since they're more worried than ever before about funding for their field (or, for some other reason). The AAAI Presidential Panel on Long-Term AI Futures was pretty disappointing, and like the RHIC Review seems like pure public relations, with a pre-determined conclusion and no serious risk analysis.

Comment author: lukeprog 16 June 2013 12:26:56AM *  0 points [-]

That's a great link! But does Aaronson express this view anywhere?

Comment author: lukeprog 15 June 2013 10:59:35PM 2 points [-]

Where does he express optimism about elites' handling of AGI? In that post, he seems to just be saying "AGI is probably many centuries away, and I don't see much we can knowably do about it so far in advance."

Elites and AI: Stated Opinions

10 lukeprog 15 June 2013 07:52PM

Previously, I asked "Will the world's elites navigate the creation of AI just fine?" My current answer is "probably not," but I think it's a question worth additional investigation.

As a preliminary step, and with the help of MIRI interns Jeremy Miller and Oriane Gaillard, I've collected a few stated opinions on the issue. This survey of stated opinions is not representative of any particular group, and is not meant to provide strong evidence about what is true on the matter. It's merely a collection of quotes we happened to find on the subject. Hopefully others can point us to other stated opinions — or state their own opinions.

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Comment author: lukeprog 15 June 2013 05:27:29PM 3 points [-]

What do you mean and how do you know it?

Comment author: lukeprog 14 June 2013 01:36:09AM 1 point [-]

BTW, the term for this is AGI Sputnik moment.

Comment author: lukeprog 12 June 2013 08:20:02PM 7 points [-]

The "normal view" is expressed by GiveWell here. Eliezer's post above can be seen as a counterpoint to that. GiveWell does acknowledge that "One of the most compelling cases for a way in which development and technology can cause harm revolves around global catastrophic risks..."

Comment author: lukeprog 12 June 2013 03:30:49AM 7 points [-]

In particular:

whenever it’s been possible to make definite progress on ancient philosophical problems, such progress has almost always involved a [kind of] “bait-and-switch.” In other words: one replaces an unanswerable philosophical riddle Q by a “merely” scientific or mathematical question Q′, which captures part of what people have wanted to know when they’ve asked Q. Then, with luck, one solves Q′.

Of course, even if Q′ is solved, centuries later philosophers might still be debating the exact relation between Q and Q′! And further exploration might lead to other scientific or mathematical questions — Q′′, Q′′′, and so on — which capture aspects of Q that Q′ left untouched. But from my perspective, this process of “breaking off” answerable parts of unanswerable riddles, then trying to answer those parts, is the closest thing to philosophical progress that there is.

Successful examples of this breaking-off process fill intellectual history. The use of calculus to treat infinite series, the link between mental activity and nerve impulses, natural selection, set theory and first-order logic, special relativity, Gödel’s theorem, game theory, information theory, computability and complexity theory, the Bell inequality, the theory of common knowledge, Bayesian causal networks — each of these advances addressed questions that could rightly have been called “philosophical” before the advance was made. And after each advance, there was still plenty for philosophers to debate about truth and provability and infinity, space and time and causality, probability and information and life and mind. But crucially, it seems to me that the technical advances transformed the philosophical discussion as philosophical discussion itself rarely transforms it! And therefore, if such advances don’t count as “philosophical progress,” then it’s not clear that anything should.

Appropriately for this essay, perhaps the best precedent for my bait-and-switch is the Turing Test... with legendary abruptness, Turing simply replaced the original question by a different one: “Are there imaginable digital computers which would do well in the imitation game?”...

...The claim is not that the new question, about the imitation game, is identical to the original question about machine intelligence. The claim, rather, is that the new question is a worthy candidate for what we should have asked or meant to have asked, if our goal was to learn something new rather than endlessly debating definitions. [Luke adds: I'm reminded of Dennett's quip that "Philosophy... is what you have to do until you figure out what questions you should have been asking in the first place."] In math and science, the process of revising one’s original question is often the core of a research project, with the actual answering of the revised question being the relatively easy part!

A good replacement question Q′ should satisfy two properties:

(a) Q′ should capture some aspect of the original question Q — so that an answer to Q′ would be hard to ignore in any subsequent discussion of Q.

(b) Q′ should be precise enough that one can see what it would mean to make progress on Q′: what experiments one would need to do, what theorems one would need to prove, etc.

The Turing Test, I think, captured people’s imaginations precisely because it succeeded so well at (a) and (b). Let me put it this way: if a digital computer were built that aced the imitation game, then it’s hard to see what more science could possibly say in support of machine intelligence being possible. Conversely, if digital computers were proved unable to win the imitation game, then it’s hard to see what more science could say in support of machine intelligence not being possible. Either way, though, we’re no longer “slashing air,” trying to pin down the true meanings of words like “machine” and “think”: we’ve hit the relatively-solid ground of a science and engineering problem. Now if we want to go further we need to dig (that is, do research in cognitive science, machine learning, etc). This digging might take centuries of backbreaking work; we have no idea if we’ll ever reach the bottom. But at least it’s something humans know how to do and have done before. Just as important, diggers (unlike air-slashers) tend to uncover countless treasures besides the ones they were looking for.

Comment author: lukeprog 11 June 2013 02:22:14AM 2 points [-]

Seconding Braitenberg's Vehicles (if you can't get the book, see the links here).

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