Comment author: ColbyDavis 15 September 2014 01:14:45PM 5 points [-]

The online services Betterment and WealthFront explicitly state they hold the efficient markets hypothesis is true and invest exclusively in broad-market index funds. I consider their approach to be an alternative to using Vanguard, which is to say, they offer an excellent service and many people would be well to use them, but I believe more optimal investing is possible. In my opinion it is not really possible to scale a market-inefficiency-exploiting strategy to the level that Betterment and WealthFront are after.

Comment author: malo 15 September 2014 06:50:24PM 2 points [-]

In my opinion it is not really possible to scale a market-inefficiency-exploiting strategy to the level that Betterment and WealthFront are after.

Yeah, I can imagine it's hard to take advantage of some of the inefficiencies you pointed out at that scale. Though they do invest in funds like Small-Cap ETFs because of the market inefficiency you pointed out.

I consider their approach to be an alternative to using Vanguard . . .

This confuses me a little since the vast majority of the funds they invest in are Vanguard ETFs. Maybe you mean something more specific that I'm missing?

Comment author: malo 15 September 2014 05:58:11AM *  6 points [-]

Am I right that services like Betterment and WealthFront are basically automating most of this? They offer automated investment in a mix of ETFs (of stocks and bonds) weighted to ones risk tolerance, which is rebalanced automatically, and bought/sold in the most tax efficient manner (all for a small fee).

I recently spent some time figuring out how I wanted do investing in the US, and settled on using Betterment. Using a service like theirs seems strictly better than doing it myself, and I haven't found any compelling arguments that finding a financial advisor would be worth the effort.

Comment author: beoShaffer 09 September 2014 01:27:06AM 5 points [-]

Is there still a rewards credit card that autodonates to MIRI or CfAR? I've seen them mentioned, but can't find any sign up links that are still live.

Comment author: malo 09 September 2014 08:47:40PM *  9 points [-]

Unfortunately the program has been discontinued by Capital One :(

We have it in our queue to look into alternatives.

One thing you might want to look into is that many cards will allow you to donate your reward points etc. to charity. For many credit cards, this generates more value for the charity you choose to donate to.

Comment author: JoshuaFox 15 May 2014 12:13:44PM *  3 points [-]

Could we get a summary report (preferably in thrilling sportswriter style) on what happened in those 24 hours?

Comment author: malo 15 May 2014 05:17:56PM 4 points [-]

We are definitely planning on doing this. Just waiting for all prizes to be officially awarded first.

Comment author: AndrewE 06 May 2014 07:57:48PM 1 point [-]

I assume the ideal time for larger donations is right after 6 and 7pm pst.

There isn't a cap on how much matching funds an individual donation can pick up, right?

Comment author: malo 06 May 2014 08:59:53PM 1 point [-]

Yup!

No cap. Email me for more details.

Comment author: steven0461 06 May 2014 10:27:22AM *  1 point [-]

(MIRI lost the third hour despite being comfortably on top of the leaderboard: what matters is the increase over the last hour, so at this point the leaderboard is probably misleading as an indicator of how close things are.)

Comment author: malo 06 May 2014 10:40:49AM 2 points [-]

The leaderboard is unique donors for the whole 24 hour period. But the prizes are for most unique donors in an hour, so the leaderboard won't tell us much.

Comment author: steven0461 06 May 2014 08:37:01AM *  3 points [-]

The leaderboards for most unique donors seem pretty close between MIRI and the next contender, so additional $10 donations may be getting unusual value per dollar right now. (The first hour was close between MIRI and a different organization with both having something like 34 unique donors, so in that sort of situation, if the highest number wins, the expected value to MIRI of a donation might be on the rough order of $100.)

Comment author: malo 06 May 2014 10:08:26AM 2 points [-]

We didn't win the 12 pm hour, but we won the 1 am hour! We also won the 408 prize of $2,500!

We have a live blog setup here, and a live feed of “the war room” at MIRI.

Comment author: beoShaffer 05 May 2014 04:57:32AM 4 points [-]

The timezone conversion links aren't set up right. For most of them the first two characters lead to a different pare than the other characters.

Comment author: malo 05 May 2014 05:19:56AM 3 points [-]

Weird not sure how that happened. Fixed in the blog post. Luke should be updating the LW post momentarily.

Thanks for catching that!

Comment author: seez 05 May 2014 03:32:16AM 2 points [-]

Oh, yeah. I thought you meant you put it on the LessWrong Facebook group, not the MIRI Facebook page.

Comment author: malo 05 May 2014 03:42:17AM 2 points [-]

Ooh, I misread that.

I didn't even know there was a LW Facebook group! I've just requested access and will post momentarily.

Comment author: raisin 05 May 2014 01:49:57AM 3 points [-]

So let's say I'm planning to donate once. If I want to make sure it has the most marginal utility, I'll just donate during 1am hour even though many other LWers probably also give during that time given that it's the first item on the list?

Comment author: malo 05 May 2014 03:30:03AM 8 points [-]

Yes.

The reason is that we have no real data about how many donations in any given hour will be enough to win the $2,000. So the trade off we decided to take is to increase our likelihood of winning a few hours, at the expense of having an even distribution over more hours. Since I'm happier to win a few by a landslide, than loose all of them by a hair. Also, more practically, coordinating the latter approach is much more difficult on a large scale.

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