Comment author: wedrifid 30 July 2012 07:48:55PM 7 points [-]

This is like saying that anyone who takes the singularity seriously should be dedicating every waking moment to FAI theory.

You are wrong.

It's just naive

Of course it is "naive". That's the word you use for when people take far mode beliefs literally rather than as verbal symbols used to signal group affiliation.

Evangelical Christians have put more thought into how to keep people out of hell than you have.

No they haven't. I was an Evangelical Christian for 22 years and did far more thinking about such things than the mean, median and mode Evangelical Christian. I am also more than passably familiar with the kind of reasoning used by Evangelical Christian leaders of various levels of shrewdness. I can assure you that next to none of them are naive enough to base their decision making on literal min-maxing of near infinite positive and negative utilities in heaven and hell. This isn't surprising---Christianity isn't based upon consequentialism in the first place.

TL;DR stop concern trolling Christians!

Avoid inflationary use of terms.

Comment author: matabele 01 August 2012 12:17:05PM -6 points [-]

... I was an Evangelical Christian for 22 years ...

That explains things, there appears to be no way back from there. What would your young self thought of you now?

The common factor here; that you need to evangelize about something; what exactly that something is, does not appear to concern you. Some examples of your evangelical 'thoughts' from your posts over the past few days:

... I mean that is bullshit ...

... Nonsense ...

... a more ethical option would be to murder as many Muslims, Atheists and Buddhists ... as you can ...

... An even better option is to kill all males who will not convert ...

... You are wrong ...

... No they haven't ...

... it is "naive" ... when people take ... beliefs literally ...

I could go on, but that would be even more boring than the original diatribes from which these fragments were abstracted. How wrong can one possibly be; evangelism is the last thing expected on a forum which claims to be:

... devoted to refining the art of human rationality ...

Please convert back to some appropriate religion, before you lose any last semblance of credibility. Perhaps then you can die a happy man, and the other users on LW can resume normal rational discourse.

Comment author: Eugene 30 July 2012 03:00:24AM 0 points [-]

One problem with this system is that it can violate the "non-dictatorship" criteria for fairness, since a single voter (or small group of allied voters) could strategically withhold votes during potential landslide elections and spend them during close elections. With the right maneuvering among a well-organized block of voters, I could imagine a situation where the system becomes a perpetual minority rule.

Comment author: matabele 30 July 2012 12:28:36PM -2 points [-]

Votes can not be counted more than once, and every vote counts (according to the voter.) As all voters have an equal opportunity to withhold or spend votes - how can this be unfair?

In current systems, a minority voter may never be offered a candidate worth a vote - all such votes don't count (according to the voter.) This is clearly unfair, and has only an appearance of proportional representation.

With the right maneuvering among a well-organized block of voters, I could imagine a situation where the system becomes a perpetual minority rule.

And this does not happen now?

This is likely the reason for low turn outs in many elections - the voters simply do not care.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 24 July 2012 09:29:06PM 3 points [-]

Why is it an evolutionary advantage to betray our lies with behavioural clues?

I notice that when mammals hide from predators, or stealthily approach prey, they frequently betray their location and presence. For example, they frequently vibrate the air, radiate heat, and exude various chemicals, which some animals can sense.

To ask why it's an evolutionary advantage to betray our location with such cues is to ask a question so wrong that the attempt to answer it will systematically lead me away from understanding what's going on.

Now, it may be that lying is not analogous; that there really is a selected-for predisposition to be caught out in our lies, as you imply with your question. And if so, asking where that selection pressure comes from is a useful question.

But that's a significant "if."

Comment author: matabele 29 July 2012 07:54:41PM -1 points [-]

... they frequently vibrate the air, radiate heat, and exude various chemicals ...

These signals appear to be unavoidable. When we lie, however, many of our behavioural signals appear to be avoidable: for example.

There is no dispute that we betray our own lies; but why do we betray our lies?

Comment author: wedrifid 29 July 2012 03:15:01PM 0 points [-]

I am finding it difficult to communicate with matabele. Expected payoff is low in this tangent. I will stop attempting.

Comment author: matabele 29 July 2012 03:41:33PM *  -2 points [-]

... Expected payoff is low in this tangent ...

Expected payoff for whom?

I am new to this forum; as far as I remember I came here via the QM sequence. I was immediately impressed by the material, and became interested in other sequences (I have a long term interest in rationality, and especially general semantics.)

In order to acquaint myself with the general gist of the forums, I made a couple of innocuous posts on this thread; to which I received this response:

... I mean it is bullshit.

I have a natural aversion to narcissistic types, and my hackles were immediately alerted. After one or two more pokes, I was on full alert.

Do you consider yourself to be a moderator of this forum? If so, why are you both moderating and rating comments? If not, why do you think your opinions are privileged?

Comment author: wedrifid 29 July 2012 01:42:21PM 0 points [-]

This is an excellent quote ... I downvoted it here ...

Please elaborate.

See the second set of ellipsis? Find the part that went there. That is all.

Comment author: matabele 29 July 2012 01:57:58PM *  0 points [-]

... any rational defences are welcomed and may be appended below.

What part of that in unclear?

Comment author: matabele 29 July 2012 01:38:46PM *  2 points [-]

Not everything that is faced can be changed. But nothing can be changed until it is faced.

– James Baldwin

The obscure language was likely due to the political context of the original; try substituting 'identified' for 'faced'.

Comment author: wedrifid 29 July 2012 09:07:49AM 0 points [-]

I have based this assumption on my perhaps mistaken impression that many LW users appear to have a bias toward Hugh Everett's many worlds interpretation of QM. If you have rational arguments to defend this position, please feel free to defend your position below.

I doubt the QM reference has anything to do with the reaction to your comment. It was downvoted for persistent confusion in the thread and smug irrelevance.

As for QM interpretations, that is boring and has been argued to death and is completely of-topic here. Look here for a list of subjects that have been thoroughly covered (the QM sequence) and if you must argue argue in the "the winner is many worlds" post that you'll see there. A few people will agree with you. Some may argue. Most will ignore you because it is not their responsibility.

Comment author: matabele 29 July 2012 01:00:45PM 0 points [-]

In the case that the second proposition (with respect QM) is irrelevant to the thread, any apparent dislike of the comment must associate to the first proposition.

... symbols (or strings of symbols) have different sense in different contexts ...

This in response to your comment:

This is an excellent quote ... I downvoted it here ...

Please elaborate.

Comment author: matabele 27 July 2012 05:26:03PM *  -2 points [-]

And there you have it: symbols (or strings of symbols) have different sense in different contexts.

One of the contexts in which I found this aphorism insightful, was in certain interpretations of quantum physics.

Comment author: matabele 29 July 2012 08:24:13AM *  -2 points [-]

Comment author: matabele 27 July 2012 09:48:43PM *  -12 points [-]

Not to say that everyone is a heathen ;-) but as for those who missed out on the subtlety of my original Goethe post ... if they wish to further advertise their lack of sophistication ... diss this post.

Please ignore this, unless you are a hydrophobic Canis antarcticus, barking up the wrong tree. Its only purpose is to provide a pissing post to discourage the great unwashed from otherwise fouling the streets. With any luck the post, complete with its surrounding territory, will soon disappear completely off the bottom of the map. There, unfettered by the strictures of reason, the pack can feel free to bark and scratch, whilst attending to their compulsions to lick the sweat off each others balls.

Comment author: matabele 29 July 2012 08:17:11AM *  0 points [-]

I am new to LW, and I don't get it; this is supposed to be a forum promoting rationality, and anyone who dissed this comment appears to be behaving re-actively.

Any rational justifications as to why anyone would respond to the above comment are welcomed, and may be appended below.

Comment author: DaFranker 27 July 2012 10:23:27PM *  0 points [-]

Oh! That makes a lot more sense. It doesn't seem like the most reliable technique, but this particular term is now a lot clearer. Thanks!

Of course, this seems to me like 'Love' is then merely a general "Interface Method", to be implemented depending on the Class in whatever manner, in context, will go against strife and/or promote well-being of cared-for others.

Which is indeed not something real, but a simple part of a larger utility function, in a sense.

Comment author: matabele 28 July 2012 07:49:37AM *  0 points [-]

A good resource on distinctions (if you are not yet aware of it), is George Spencer-Brown's Laws of Form. These ideas are being further explored (Bricken, Awbrey), and various resources on boundary logic and differential logic, are now available on the web.

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