Comment author: michaelkeenan 07 August 2016 04:33:30PM 3 points [-]

Should we worry that if Trump supports eradicating mosquitoes, that will cause Trump opponents to oppose it?

Comment author: Viliam 08 December 2015 10:50:11PM *  1 point [-]

When I go to CFAR web page, my browser complains about the certificate. Anyone else having this problem?

Comment author: michaelkeenan 08 December 2015 11:16:49PM 3 points [-]

It looks like you're going to https://rationality.org rather than http://rationality.org. CFAR doesn't have a SSL certificate (but maybe should get one through Let's Encrypt).

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 27 October 2015 12:27:32AM 2 points [-]

Consider this Hacker News thread - two people are arguing about crime rates in the UK and USA.

This is harder than it seems. The two countries use different methodologies to collect their crime statistics.

Comment author: michaelkeenan 29 October 2015 03:20:59AM 0 points [-]

Yes, you'd want to use the International Crime Victims Survey. It's the standard way to compare crime rates between countries.

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 27 October 2015 12:30:43AM 1 point [-]

it'd say "this bot detected the claim that vaccines cause autism, which is in conflict with the view held by The Lancet, one of the world's most prominent medical journals".

In that case, I don't see the point. After all, anti-vaxxers don't deny that there are prominent medical professionals who don't agree with their position. They, however, suspect that said professionals are doing so due to a combination of biases and money from the vaccine industry.

Comment author: michaelkeenan 29 October 2015 03:19:24AM -1 points [-]

The anti-vax thing is one of the hardest cases. More often, people are just accidentally wrong. Like this exchange at Hacker News, which had checkable claims like:

  • "The UK is a much more violent society than the US, statistically"
  • "There are dozens of U.S. cities with higher per capita murder rates than London or any other city in the UK"
  • "Murder rates are higher in the US, but murder is a small fraction of violent crime. All other violent crime is much more common in the UK than in the US."

There would also be a useful effect for observers. That Hacker News discussion contained no citations, so no-one was convinced and I doubt any observers knew what to think. But if a fact-checker bot was noting which claims were true and which weren't, then observers would know which claims were correct (or rather, which claims were consistent with official statistics).

If these fact-checkers were extremely common, it could still help anti-vaccine people. If you're against vaccines, but you've seen the fact-checker bot be correct 99 other times, then you might give credence to its claims.

Comment author: VoiceOfRa 23 October 2015 01:36:51PM 8 points [-]

Reposting by comment from your post on omnilibrium:

You failed to address, or even acknowledge the question, of who fact-checks the fact-checkers. For example, you mention PolitiFact, it has a acquired a reputation for downplaying some politicians lies, and in some cases even outright classifying true statements as lies by others.

In general, this proposal is just silly. After all the media is supposed to fack-check politicians but it is rather notorious for its own biases and even occasional lies. Why would we expect self-proclaimed fact-checkers to be any better?

Also, judging by the upvotes this post has recieved and the rest of the comments, it appears even most LWers will accept someone's claim to be stating facts without question.

Comment author: michaelkeenan 26 October 2015 11:23:37PM 1 point [-]

I'd prefer the framing that it's not a fact-checker, but rather an inconsistency-detector. Rather than "this bot detected the claim that vaccines cause autism, which is wrong", it'd say "this bot detected the claim that vaccines cause autism, which is in conflict with the view held by The Lancet, one of the world's most prominent medical journals". Or in 1930, it might have reported "this bot detected the claim that continents drift, which is in conflict with the scientific consensus of leading geology journals".

Comment author: pico 22 October 2015 10:41:48PM 4 points [-]

I'm still fairly skeptical that algorithmically fact-checking anything complex is tractable today. The Google article states that "this is 100 percent theoretical: It’s a research paper, not a product announcement or anything equally exciting." Also, no real insights into nlp are presented; the article only suggests that an algorithm could fact check relatively simple statements that have clear truth values by checking a large database of information. So if the database has nothing to say about the statement, the algorithm is useless. In particular, such an approach would be unable to fact-check the Fiorina quote you used as an example.

Comment author: michaelkeenan 26 October 2015 11:22:05PM 0 points [-]

It would still be helpful to have automatic fact-checking of simple statements. Consider this Hacker News thread - two people are arguing about crime rates in the UK and USA. Someone says "The UK is a much more violent society than the US" and they argue about that, neither providing citations. That might be simple enough that natural language processing could parse it and check it against various interpretations of it. For example, one could imagine a bot that notices when people are arguing over something like that (whether on the internet or in a national election. It would provide useful relevant statistics, like the total violent crime rates in each country, or the murder rate, or whatever it thinks is relevant. If it were an ongoing software project, the programmers could notice when it's upvoted and downvoted, and improve it.

Comment author: michaelkeenan 14 August 2015 06:08:19AM 2 points [-]

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Comment author: Dagon 10 July 2015 03:05:50AM 3 points [-]

I'd argue that emotions about politics genuinely affect one's enjoyment of government as much, if not more so, than any other product.

Why don't you want us to be happy?

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Comment author: michaelkeenan 10 July 2015 09:33:13PM 5 points [-]

Fair enough. My thinking is that voting has severe effects on others, while one's choice of consumer product mostly affects oneself. Maybe a particular well-marketed beer can make one feel strong and virile; a well-marketed approach to foreign policy might do the same, but with worse consequences for others.

Comment author: Dagon 09 July 2015 11:55:10PM 5 points [-]

Why only in political ads? Product consumption and lifestyle choices have orders of magnitude more impact on most people's lives than political choices, why not start by banning manipulative messaging there?

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Comment author: michaelkeenan 10 July 2015 12:14:07AM *  2 points [-]

My thinking with that - not that I've thought about it very hard or actually endorse this beyond "interesting crazy idea" - was that one's emotions about a product can genuinely affect one's enjoyment of it.

Maybe a certain food or other product is designed to evoke a cowboy's frontier life, or an archetypal grandmother's cooking, or something like that. Music would help create that association. Overall the effect might still be pernicious but I'm not sure about that.

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Comment author: michaelkeenan 09 July 2015 05:22:41PM 14 points [-]

Ban music in political campaign advertisements. Music has no logical or factual content, and only adds emotional bias.

Here's an example of an ad with music intended to give two different emotional tones (optimistic/patriotic in the first six seconds, then sinister in the rest).

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