Comment author: prase 13 July 2011 09:23:54AM 2 points [-]

It's good measured by the new values and bad measured by the old ones. What other standards of goodness do we have at our disposal in this problem?

Comment author: mutterc 16 July 2011 01:54:19PM 0 points [-]

Good question :-)

We could measure them against some non-relativist ethical standard, like "US Dollars lost", "lives lost", "person-weeks stuck in traffic" or somesuch.

Comment author: mutterc 13 July 2011 12:57:05AM 1 point [-]

drift is harmful from the perspective of my current values

True. And that drift would be beneficial from the perspective of your new, drifted-to values.

But neither of those statements have any bearing on whether value drift (in general or any specific instance thereof) is good or bad.

Comment author: AdeleneDawner 05 July 2011 09:36:52PM 0 points [-]

Ditto.

Comment author: mutterc 06 July 2011 12:50:27AM 0 points [-]

Offer extended; I can be there about 6:40.

Comment author: curiousepic 05 July 2011 11:46:17PM *  1 point [-]

Is it possible for you to pick up Alicorn and Ade? The venue being so close to me, it feels like the location's benefit would be wasted if I went to Durham and back! hwc or I could definitely taxi the next meetings that would be closer to Raleigh.

Comment author: mutterc 06 July 2011 12:49:48AM 1 point [-]

Sure. Google says it's not particularly out of the way. (I got a day job, around Brier Creek; coming from there puts me halfway to the meetup compared to coming from home).

Comment author: hwc 05 July 2011 12:46:03PM 0 points [-]

I'm going to be out of town this week, but I'm pretty sure curiousepic will be there. Does anyone else want to commit to being there?

Comment author: mutterc 05 July 2011 11:00:45PM 0 points [-]

Committed.

Comment author: mutterc 02 July 2011 07:05:14PM 0 points [-]

I know this sounds snarky, but it's serious: Are you married?

Ideally a life partner will share many of your values, but no two people share all values, and you'll need to respect the ones that differ. (Even if you're both Bayesian, in area where you have different values/axioms you will not necessarily agree).

Comment author: mutterc 29 June 2011 12:38:30AM 1 point [-]

Assuming one already had an AI that is capable of understanding human psychology

From what I understand, that's actually the hard part of the Friendliness problem.

Comment author: mutterc 29 June 2011 12:07:29AM 26 points [-]

a significant proportion of the LW posters are contrarians

I'm not!

Comment author: ciphergoth 26 June 2011 09:30:10AM *  9 points [-]

If the judges were random disinterested people, maybe, but the judges are people sympathetic to the stated position of the panel; they're less likely to be fooled by someone parroting a stereotype of themselves. I think that to cryonicists, someone trying to fulfill a stereotype of a cryonicists among a panel of genuine cryonicists would stick out like a sore thumb.

Comment author: mutterc 26 June 2011 09:14:41PM 5 points [-]

Depends on the position. Remember Poe's Law - there are some positions where it's impossible to distinguish a parody from the real thing.

Comment author: mutterc 26 June 2011 09:05:49PM 4 points [-]

Attempt to make beliefs pay rent, and beliefs in the supernatural will likely melt away as they fail to constrain your anticipated experiences.

And don't worry too much about supernatural beliefs. Just keep trying to make your beliefs correspond to reality, and see where that goes.

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