Comment author: wedrifid 14 November 2012 01:27:41AM 0 points [-]

Psychology was invented as a means of studying society

That sounds more likely "Sociology". If you are actually trying to talk about Psychology then your claim seems wrong.

Comment author: mytyde 15 January 2013 04:24:22AM *  0 points [-]

No, my claim is literal. The role of the discipline 'psychology' has shifted over time away from what we now consider 'sociology' and towards an individualistic approach to mental health. The assumption didn't used to be that mental problems were profoundly unique to the individual, but now mainstream psychology does not take into account the sociological factors which affect mental health in all situations.

Some sources to elaborate the transformation of the discipline are historiologists & sociologists like Immanuel Wallerstein and Michel Foucault, but there are plenty of non-mainstream psychologists who still practice holistic psychology like Helene Shulman & Mary Watkins.

Comment author: witzvo 09 June 2012 07:39:07PM *  3 points [-]

There could be a whole new continent of health improvements achievable by managing the body's bacterial ecosystem in the way a professional gardener manages a botanical garden.

Is eating an effective way to do that? In the world's cultures there's a wide variety of pro-biotic fermented foods. Do these exist merely because people like the taste? Surely they partly exist as a coping strategy for rotten food, but is that all? I doubt it. In some cultures they're eaten regularly. Let's list some:

  • yogurt / cheese / cottage cheese / sour cream / kefir / etc.
  • sauerkraut / kim chee / pickled vegetables
  • fermented tofu (e.g. stinky tofu)
  • fermented rice
  • kombucha

Diet generally can dramatically affect which bacteria thrive in the gut (e.g. I recall evidence about sugar consumption, but can't find it). [I don't list bread or wine because as far as I know the agents are mostly dead before we eat them. For that matter, I'm not sure how much is alive in commercially available cheese.][Hygiene practices vary substantially too which probably has an important effect.]

Comment author: mytyde 15 January 2013 01:37:08AM 1 point [-]

Cheese is one of the very few commercial foods you'll be able to find live (fermentation) bacteria living in, but even then many cheeses won't because the producers save expense by pasteurizing instead of more closely monitoring cheeses to make sure they don't develop molds.

But, there are a few companies who do sell high-quality raw fermented foods, like Real Pickles up here in New England. You'll be able to find healthy bacteria on organic farm-bought produce as well; sauerkraut can be made easily by putting some sliced cabbage in a jar with salt, pounding it down, topping off the jar with water, and capping it for a week.

Comment author: Viliam_Bur 10 June 2012 03:39:22PM 9 points [-]

One day we will raise the sanity waterline by selling Rationality Yogurt.

Comment author: mytyde 15 January 2013 01:32:51AM 0 points [-]

This is already sold. It's called humility, but you'll have to import it if you live in the US.

Comment author: Vaniver 11 June 2012 04:31:05AM 1 point [-]

It's not quite probiotic, but the bacteria in sourdough seriously reduce the negative effects of wheat gluten; apparently, bread fermentation was widespread across wheat-eating cultures.

Comment author: mytyde 15 January 2013 01:30:41AM 0 points [-]

You're right, but note that most store-bought sourdough breads are barely sourdough at all; they're mostly just flavored but don't undergo the traditional fermentation process which takes too long for bread corporations more interested in moving stock. Roman legions actually survived largely off of long-fermented sourdough bread.

Comment author: mytyde 15 January 2013 01:27:05AM *  2 points [-]

As a medical student who has been closely reviewing probiotic research, I would like everyone to know that research is extremely important.

Perhaps it will be the greatest breakthrough in medicine of the 21st century. This angle is one of the primary reasons that the 'calories in=calories out' theory doesn't function as a successful principle for people trying to lose weight and keep it off. I recommend looking into the GAPS diet for anyone suffering auto-immune problems, since auto-immune disorders are all primarily caused by dysregulation of the digestive system.

Some ideas on the yogurt study (also being an opportunity to explain some of the nuances):

  1. there is an incredible breadth of biodiversity in the gut, and yogurt only typically contains one or two strains, in this case it looks like one.

  2. gut bacteria number in the trillions, so a short-term regime of any probiotic food or supplement won't necessarily provide its benefits quickly. A significant amount of the benefit is also delivered in the chelating and detoxifying properties of healthy bacteria, which can over time remove harmful toxins built up in intestinal bile; a significant build-up may take years to fully flush though, and other health problems may still still inhibit it.

  3. other things in the diet will impact bacterial growth just as much as the addition of yogurt. Foods high in sugar could very easily be inhibiting the multiplication of the yogurt's probiotic bacteria (after being ingested) by encouraging the growth of competing bacteria associated with negative health. Food eaten then also becomes the basis for the bacteria's food, so a poor quality diet could sabotage the probiotics.

  4. the quality of the yogurt which the probiotic was added to will impact the growth of bacteria tremendously. The pasteurization process itself makes the yogurt less healthful and can create an environment less conducive to probiotic multiplication.

  5. no distinction is made whether the stress can be considered 'justified' or not; it would be undesireable to be less stressful in a situation where stress is justified and helpful. The study also seems not to account for variance in difficulty of course load, since students may have signed up for classes with intuitive knowledge of the additional stress received through their usual gut bacteria.

  6. there are also a variety of standard practices in preventing contamination, which I assume the group carried out

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 28 September 2007 04:16:45PM 8 points [-]

Wikipedia on a priori: Relations of ideas, according to Hume, are "discoverable by the mere operation of thought, without dependence on what is anywhere existent in the universe".

This points out clearly the problem that I have with "a priori". It is a fundamentally Cartesian-dualist notion. The "mere operation of thought" takes place INSIDE THE UNIVERSE, as opposed to anywhere else.

To observe your own thoughts is a kind of evidence, if the spikings of your neurons be entangled with the object of your inquiry (relative to your current state of uncertainty about both). If, for example, I do not know what will happen with two earplugs and two earplugs on the nightstand, I can visualize two apples plus two apples to find out. All of this takes place in the same, unified, physical universe, with no ontological border between the atoms in my skull and the atoms outside my skull. That's why the trick works. It would work just as well if I used a pocket calculator. Is the output of a pocket calculator an a priori truth? Why not call the earplugs themselves a priori truths, then? But if neither of these are a priori, why should I treat the outputs of my neurons as "a priori"? It's all the same universe.

It appears to me that "a priori" is a semantic stopsign; its only visible meaning is "Don't ask!"

Vassar: It sure seems to me that our evolution and culture constructed ethical attitudes are entangled with the world.

They're causal products of the world, and yes, if I was ignorant about some evolution-related factual question, I might be able to use my ethical attitudes as evidence about conditions obtaining in my ancestral environment. That's not the same as my stating an external truth-condition for it being wrong to slaughter the first-born male children of the subjects of an unelected Pharaoh. It is perfectly acceptable for me to say, "I can think of no encounterable situation that would transform the terminal value of this event from negative to positive."

Spear: The test of any religion is whether cultures believing it tend to thrive and improve the quality of their lives or not.

Ah, yes, the old theory that there are reasons to believe2 in an assertion-of-fact besides its being true.

Lee: If he proclaims "two and two makes three," then he must be talking about something other than the integers. You cannot be mistaken about the integers, you can only misunderstand them.

Just to be clear, when I say "be convinced that 2 + 2 = 3", I mean being convinced that the system of Peano axioms with standard deductive logic and:

\a.(a + 0 = a) \ab.(a + Sb = S(a + b))

does not have as a theorem

SS0 + SS0 = SSSS0

but does have as a theorem

SS0 + SS0 = SSS0

and is consistent. Just as I currently believe that PA is consistent and has a theorem SS0+SS0=SSSS0 but not SS0+SS0=SSS0. So yes, this blog post is about what it would take to convince me that 2 + 2 actually equalled 3. I am not supposed to be convinced of this, if I am sane, and if it is not true. But at the same time, my belief in it should not be unconditional or nonevidential, because there are particular evidences which convinced me that 2 + 2 = 4 in the first place.

I also note that if you do not believe that there is a finite positive integer which encodes a proof of Godel's Statement, then you clearly are not using Peano Arithmetic to define what you mean by the word "integer".

Comment author: mytyde 20 November 2012 11:12:48PM *  0 points [-]

In regards to Hume's interesting contributions to the question, I stumbled across this video a while back which I think will be interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVZG0G-jnAM (don't let the title throw you off; there is content within it).

Comment author: Spectral_Dragon 20 November 2012 05:19:03PM 4 points [-]

Lund, Sweden - despite not living here that long, just a few months, I've gotten a good grip of it. Pros: Massive university that serves as an intellectual meetingplace, everything from feminism to transhumanism in unofficial lectures, a particle accelerator is being built if you're into that kind of thing, and it's possible to get EVERYWHERE with a bike.

Cons: Difficult to get anywhere fast with a car, the weather can be less than enjoyable, housing prices are fairly high and we might be heading for an economical crash soon, and it would likely seem quite different moving here from outside europe.

In short: Economical value low, cultural value high.

Comment author: mytyde 20 November 2012 05:39:57PM *  0 points [-]

You might not think the economic value was so low if you had children in school, were going to have children, were a child yourself, had significant health expenses, had a criminal record, were poor, or are going to get old eventually.

Economic value pays for the cultural value.

Comment author: mytyde 20 November 2012 08:51:07AM 0 points [-]

Hmm would an AI be superior or inferior if it were unable to not think Bayesianally?

Comment author: mytyde 20 November 2012 08:49:34AM *  -1 points [-]

Yudkowsky recently posted something interesting on this, let me see if I can find it...

Comment author: Anja 19 November 2012 04:44:44AM 3 points [-]

There is also a more detailed paper by Lattimore and Hutter (2011) on discounting and time consistency that is interesting in that context.

Comment author: mytyde 20 November 2012 08:44:40AM 0 points [-]

This is a very interesting paper. Reminds me of HIGHLANDER for some reason... those guys lived for thousands of years and weren't even rich? They hadn't usurped control of vast econo-political empires? No hundred-generations-long family of bodyguards?

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