Comment author: Anja 19 November 2012 04:44:44AM 3 points [-]

There is also a more detailed paper by Lattimore and Hutter (2011) on discounting and time consistency that is interesting in that context.

Comment author: mytyde 20 November 2012 08:44:40AM 0 points [-]

This is a very interesting paper. Reminds me of HIGHLANDER for some reason... those guys lived for thousands of years and weren't even rich? They hadn't usurped control of vast econo-political empires? No hundred-generations-long family of bodyguards?

Comment author: niceguyanon 15 November 2012 03:01:59PM 6 points [-]

As someone who has not yet read through all the sequences and found it difficult on a few occasions where I attempted to follow the Hanson-Yudkowsky FOOM debate, I find this summary very helpful.

Comment author: mytyde 20 November 2012 08:39:31AM 3 points [-]

I find it really helps if you do the voices. Like pretend Yudkowsky sounds like Harry Potter from the movie and is having a conversation with Dumbledore (in the HPMOR universe, obviously).

Comment author: mytyde 20 November 2012 08:38:11AM 1 point [-]

...it all makes sense now.

The bleak grey world turns lucid at once!

Comment author: Gedusa 17 November 2012 01:53:02PM 10 points [-]

Slightly off topic, but I'm very interested in the "policy impact" that FHI has had - I had heard nothing about it before and assumed that it wasn't having very much. Do you have more information on that? If it were significant, it would increase the odds that giving to FHI was a great option.

Comment author: mytyde 20 November 2012 08:36:32AM -2 points [-]

Unfortunately, the impact of information is often too closely tied to the funding poured into its propagation. Look at the way American media networks are basically billboards for the rich

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 17 November 2012 09:19:03PM 8 points [-]

I saw a post the other year about artists who asked Michael Vassar what they could do to ensure friendliness. "Modify the status of friendliness research" seems like it could be a good answer to that. Art can definitely impact cultural memes (e.g. Stranger in a Strange Land), so a reasonable proceduralization of "modify the status of activity X" might be to get some artist to do it. (Though, even if artists can create and spread powerful memes, figuring out exactly how to construct those memes in order to modify status could be a pain point.)

Comment author: mytyde 20 November 2012 08:33:46AM -1 points [-]

You're totally right. Art & Utopianism go together like a horse and carriage. This is an interesting blog on the subject:

http://nomadicutopianism.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/art-and-utopia/

Comment author: RichardKennaway 15 August 2011 08:00:50AM 19 points [-]

I think you're reading too much speculative detail into this. Is it any different from persuading people to buy your drugs by showing men in white coats and saying "studies have shown"?

Comment author: mytyde 13 November 2012 10:19:17PM *  0 points [-]

This is the crux. You can't take a small amount of empirical data, skip sociology, postulate a hypothesis which you don't intend to test, and then generalize from it. I'm not gonna downvote this thread because I don't think stating this hypothesis is bad; I just think its presentation is sloppy. Lukeprog, please don't take this too harshly; I make similar mistakes all the time.

Comment author: Apprentice 30 December 2011 02:23:45PM 3 points [-]

If Reagan or FDR or Washington ever caught themselves thinking "I'm the smartest guy in this room" their immediate reaction would have been: "Uh-oh, I'd better get some smarter guys in here, pronto!"

Steve Sailer

Comment author: mytyde 13 November 2012 10:10:02PM 1 point [-]

Reagan had Alzheimers throughout his second term, and if he didn't have clinical alzheimers during his first term, it's not difficult to demonstrate that a pre-Alzheimers condition isn't much better. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONNMiuWI4Fo&feature=related http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2011_01/027551.php

Comment author: elhelado 31 March 2011 04:45:10PM 0 points [-]

The traditional definition of philosophy (in Greek) implied that philosophy's purpose was not to convey information, but to produce a transformation in the individual who practices it. In that sense, it is not supposed to be "useless", but it may appear so to someone who is looking to it for "information" about reality. By this standard, very little of what goes on in academic Philosophy departments today would qualify.

Comment author: mytyde 13 November 2012 09:27:05PM -1 points [-]

I would charge that the same 'institutionalization' which has neutered psychology has changed philosophy into a funding-chaser.

Psychology was invented as a means of studying society so that the social situation could be improved: Freud was a socialist. Because many disciplines have moved to institutions, they have less freedom to pursue research and less freedom to depart from the views of their institutions.

Also, because funding is dependent on people who have ulterior motives in what they choose to fund, it would be almost impossible for a school of psychology to develop which says, for instance "there's something seriously wrong with our society" because they would be hard-pressed to find research funding. That the general population surrenders so much initiative to scientists who are so strongly influenced by veiled politics is the true tragedy of our time.

Comment author: zaph 31 March 2011 05:54:52PM 0 points [-]

This is my viewpoint as a philosophical laymen. I've liked a lot of the philosophy I've read, but I'm thinking about what the counter-proposal to what your post might be, and I don't know that it wouldn't result in a better state of affairs. I don't believe we'd have to stop reading writers from prior eras, or keep reinventing the wheel for "philosophical" questions. But why not just say, from here on out, the useful bits of philosophy can be categorized into other disciplines, and the general catch all term is no longer warranted? Philosophy covered just too wide a swath of topics: political science/economics, physics/cosmology, and psychology, just to name a few. I don't really know how to categorize everything Leibnitz and Newton were interested in. Now that these topics have more empirical data, there's less room for general speculation like there was in the old days. When you reclassify the useful stuff of philosophers' work as science, math, or logic I think it's very clarifying. All that remains afterwards (in my opinion) is more cultural commentaries and criticisms, and general speculations about life. I wouldn't call them useless; I found Rawls and Nozick to be interesting. But there would be big picture thinkers, cross-disciplinary studiers, and other types of thinkers even without a formal academic discipline called philosophy.

Comment author: mytyde 13 November 2012 09:20:05PM *  0 points [-]

The decision of what disciplines belong to "science" or "humanitees", "art" or "engineering" is significantly a political decision. Indeed, it is a political question which disciplines exist in which organization and how they fit together.

Rationalist philosophers just need to call themselves "Psychologists of Quantitative Reasoning" in order to get funding. In the current political era, it is fashionable to claim 'objectivity' in one's profession despite frequently inquiring into non-empirical matters. This claim of objectivity often serves to hide one's personal biases which, if made explicit, might otherwise be useful in interpretation of research.

The drive to be unconcerned with the political implications of one's work is the ideal paradigm for economic exploitation of a class of highly-educated scientists by institutions and people who control how funding is utilized to enables, disables, or actualize research and engineering.

Fox News is a perfect example of brutally skewing scientific evidence towards political ends "How Roger Ailes Built the Fox News Fear Factory" http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-roger-ailes-built-the-fox-news-fear-factory-20110525

(For those of you who would: instead of voting me down because you dislike these ideas, how about trying to engage with them?)

Comment author: mytyde 13 November 2012 08:44:55PM 0 points [-]

This happens frequently, and we don't see these questions resolved because the scientific method is far from bulletproof. Doubtless many of our modern ideas will be proven incorrect by the next generation; others will learn to make more accurate predictions using more advanced analysis; some paradigms will seem ludicrous in rhetrospect (as some models which were accepted only decades ago seem today). Just how frequently such an obvious problem happens, for the same reasons this case went unnoticed, it is very difficult to estimate.

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