Comment author: prasannak 14 March 2012 07:37:50AM *  11 points [-]

Eliezer suggests re-reading 14, 21, 26, 35, 43-47, 56-57, 63, 66, 73-77, chapters

What're the possible clues embedded in these chapters?

  • 14 - Time-turner given to HP, Santa Claus gives inv Cloak
  • 21 - Hermione worried that she was going 'bad' + Bayesian Conspiracy starts + Draco wants to learn about blood + SC gifts 2 galleons, Occlumency book, advice about Quirrell, and warnings about Dumbledore
  • 26 - Noticing Confusion. A Muggle casts a dangerous spell on a Slytherin without knowing what the spell would do, also the Weasley's plot in the Prophet. Bacon's book to HP, Killing of Rita Skeeter
  • 35 - After HP/Q talk at the end of the battle. Also, Blaise Zabini + H&C interaction, Harry teasing Draco about Draco/Hermione working together.
  • 43-47 - Killing of the dementor, ends with HP & Draco discussion, Harry taking an oath against Narcissa's murderer, Harry shown to be a Parselmouth
  • 56-57 - Couple of chapters in Azkaban
  • 63 - TSPE Aftermath, Harry recognizes Hermione as 'good', Trelawney's aborted prophecy, HP receives SC gift of pack of cards.
  • 66 - SA Part I, key seems to be "Lessson I learned is not to try plotss that would make girl-child friend think I am evil or boy-child friend think I am sstupid," & "You will losse patience long before sseventh year, perhapss before end of thiss one. I sshall plan accordingly."
  • 73-77 - SA more thereof, ends with H&C groundhog attack on Hermione

Now, any of you folks digging up anything from the suggested chapters?

Comment author: prasannak 12 March 2012 11:11:36AM *  10 points [-]
  1. HPJEV has told Quirrel that Lucius threatened him with dire consequences if anything happened to Draco.
  2. Q can't make HPJEV do anything directly
  3. Q, in the form of H&C, makes Hermione hurt Draco,
  4. Why? One or more of ...
    • To get Lucius to hurt Hermione
    • To get HPJEV to his dark side, moving him away from Hermione
    • To show HPJEV that no one is really 'good', ie even Hermione can hurt someone else

If that's not true, then all I can say is "I am confused".

Comment author: pedanterrific 23 February 2012 09:02:54PM 0 points [-]

I didn't downvote, but I'm curious: what brought up Bacon's diary? You dropped in "or at least Bacon managed to charm it to be nearly indestructible" as though it was mentioned in the parent.

Comment author: prasannak 24 February 2012 03:58:23AM 0 points [-]

Hehe, now re-reading it, I realize I've muddled things up :) - some parts in my head, some came out into the comment... Fixing it now...

Comment author: matheist 23 February 2012 05:18:14AM *  5 points [-]

Just reread chapter 40.

"Which is why the Resurrection Stone is not the most valuable magical artifact in the world," said Harry.

"Precisely," said Professor Quirrell, "though I wouldn't say no to a chance to try it." There was a dry, thin smile on his lips; and something colder, more distant, in his eyes. "You spoke to Dumbledore of that as well, I take it."

Sounds to me like Quirrell had never heard of the resurrection stone before this conversation. Later in the chapter, it becomes apparent that he has never heard of the deathly hallows symbol. After Harry shows him the symbol, he excuses himself and cuts short the outing. Perhaps he has seen the stone before and is running off to find it? His ignorance fits with canon, where he uses the Peverell ring (with the stone inset) to make a horcrux.

Comment author: prasannak 23 February 2012 07:00:45AM *  2 points [-]

From Chap 26

The key to a puzzle is often something you read twenty years ago in an old scroll, or a peculiar ring you saw on the finger of a man you met only once.

Possibly Voldemort made the Resurrection stone/ring into a Horcrux while killing his 'uncle'.

Later in the same chapter, Quirrell suggests that he's made Bacon's diary into a Horcrux.

"Oh," said Professor Quirrell, "don't worry about a little rough handling. You could toss this diary in a fireplace and it would emerge unscathed. In any case, I await your decision."

In canon, one of the main properties of a Horcrux is that it is indestructible by ordinary means, but since Quirrell has only 'recently acquired' this, it might just be charmed? Or would it be a Horcrux of Quirrell, rather than of Voldemort? Not sure...

[Edit] Original comment was screwed up, I had something in mind, and wrote parts of it here which made little sense

Comment author: Anubhav 19 February 2012 04:11:24PM *  0 points [-]

The parent was the first hypothesis that I formed when I first read that chapter, but it doesn't check out. Putting yourself out of action for ten years and waiting another ~7 for your chosen champion to mature doesn't look like an optimal way of taking over the world.

And then there's the whole Philosopher's Stone plot. Clearly, he's planning to return to power.

Come to think of it, why is the Philosopher's Stone in Hogwarts this year? Dumbledore introduces the Third Floor Corridor in chapter 12, so we know it hadn't been around before.....

Why lay out a bait for Voldemort the year Harry joins Hogwarts? What does DD know?

Comment author: prasannak 22 February 2012 06:01:03AM 0 points [-]

From canon. Because this was the year that Quirrellmort tried to steal it out of the vault at Gringotts. So it needed to be somewhere safer - the only place safer than Gringotts -> Hogwarts.

Comment author: prasannak 19 February 2012 07:57:50AM 0 points [-]

Dumbledore tells Harry that Voldemort has used Dark Magic to save his own 'soul' at the cost of Myrtle's life. So Harry knows of at least one Dark Ritual which needs a death as sacrifice, ie making a Horcrux.

Quirrell tells Harry that the darkest ritual he knows requires only a sword that has slain a woman, and a rope that has hanged a man - to summon death.

Since Harry knows Quirrell knows every Dark Ritual there is worth knowing, and one of the rules of Evil Overlords is to get immortality, Harry knows that Quirrell is not telling him about the Horcrux ritual. If he puts the 'where to hide a Horcrux' & 'the lose 5 things' bits together, he will know he can never kill QuirrellMort, since he's unlikely to get to any of the Horcruxes anyway.

Comment author: Eneasz 18 February 2012 08:35:30PM 2 points [-]

Something I've been trying to puzzle out for the past day, and failing. From Chapter 39, as Harry is talking to Dumbledore:

"The obvious test to see if the Resurrection Stone is really calling back the dead, or just projecting an image from the user's mind, is to ask a question whose answer you don't know, but the dead person would, and that can be definitely verified in this world. For example, call back -"

Then Harry paused, because this time he'd managed to think it through one step ahead of his tongue, fast enough to not say the first name and test that had sprung to mind.

Who was the first name (and test) that had sprung to Harry's mind? The quick rejection implies it would be something that would make Dumbledore think he is evil, or reveal to Dumbledore that Harry has some information that Harry doesn't want Dumbledore to know he has, or emotionally wound Dumbledore. And yet the shade would also have knowledge that no one alive would know, but the dead person would, and could be tested in the real world.

Things that have recently happened and might be on the tip of Harry's mind: Harry had a mysterious confrontation with Lucius Malfoy on platform 9.75, has met Neville's grandmother, and has discussed with Dumbledore what mischief Quirrell could unleash if he tricked the Headmaster into letting a Dementor onto the school grounds. They've also discussed immortality and afterlives (with some focus on Harry's parents).

Any guesses? I have a couple, but they seem quite weak to me.

Comment author: prasannak 19 February 2012 07:50:54AM 0 points [-]

Obviously Voldemort - to figure out what really happened that night.

Comment author: gRR 15 February 2012 09:29:04AM *  1 point [-]

What do we know of the second Hat-and-Cloak:

  • doesn't know Hermione well
  • clever, but not too clever (it takes him a LOT of time)

=> not Quirrell or Snape

  • has some motive, probably foreshadowed (EY is a good writer)
  • was recognized by Hermione

=> not anyone unknown

  • has no morals (mindrape)
  • knows that Severus Snape is a Death Eater
  • says he knows the true reason for the coldness in Harry Potter's eyes
  • and says he's frightened of it
  • and says he knows HP is dangerous to Hermione
  • says: "Lucius Malfoy has taken notice of you, Hermione..."

=> He's Yhpvhf Znysbl!

One thing contrary: He says he knows the true nature of Professor Quirrell's mysterious illness. This doesn't fit...

Comment author: prasannak 15 February 2012 10:08:55AM 2 points [-]

Assume Quirrell is not able to model 'good' people well -> we know he is not all powerful, and this is certainly where he is weak - witness conv with Harry on 'give a finger of my wand hand', 'does it really matter what your friends think', etc.

And each iteration with Hermione could have brought a different reason from Hermione, which was then subverted - we only saw one arc. Also H&C wanted Hermione as a willing participant, not as an NPC, much harder than simply memory charming her.

It's very unlikely EY has used two different H&C, and there was the 'wards keyed in' statement of both H&C & Quirrell earlier.

Will need much stronger evidence to say Quirrell is not H&C.

Comment author: prasannak 02 February 2012 05:29:26AM 2 points [-]

Eliezer,

Could we have an update every 10 days telling us where you are? Makes the waiting much easier, knowing we're getting more.

One like last time with #of words, chapter would be great.

The super awesomeness of HPMOR so far is what makes all the anticipation fun...

Comment author: prasannak 08 February 2012 05:11:25PM 0 points [-]

Woot! Perhaps a few days more, and then I'll have to take the day off :)

Currently 4,800 words into Ch. 83, the Aftermath (final chapter) of the next story sequence.

Comment author: prasannak 02 February 2012 05:29:26AM 2 points [-]

Eliezer,

Could we have an update every 10 days telling us where you are? Makes the waiting much easier, knowing we're getting more.

One like last time with #of words, chapter would be great.

The super awesomeness of HPMOR so far is what makes all the anticipation fun...

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