In response to comment by [deleted] on The lessons of a world without Hitler
Comment author: Stuart_Armstrong 16 January 2012 08:26:41PM *  -2 points [-]

Hitler went to war with France and GB with no realistic prospect of winning. That's the major irrationality; close second was his cruelty to the subject nationalities in the USSR that turned them back to Stalin. Churchill did nothing on this scale (perhaps staying in the war alone was irrational; but he did have an empire to back him up, and plausible hope the USA would join in). Stalin... internally did a lot of stupid things, and trusted Hitler, but didn't commit massive external errors, and was often very prudent.

But Hitler just started war after war until one of them went badly for him.

Comment author: quanticle 16 January 2012 09:15:15PM *  3 points [-]

No realistic prospect? I disagree. When Hitler invaded France in 1941, the potency of blitzkrieg had been demonstrated. The Germans knew that they could pull off a Schlieffen Plan end-run much more quickly than they could in 1914.

Of course the French and British thought differently, but I don't think there's any evidence that the German general staff thought that a conflict with France was a sure loss as of 1941. If you'd been talking about the Remilitarization of the Rhineland in 1936, I'd have agreed with you.

Comment author: quanticle 19 December 2011 05:41:10PM 2 points [-]

Since most atheists, agnostics, etc, consider the First Amendment pretty important, we can assume they 'believe in religion'.

That's a pretty large logical leap. The First Amendment protects the right to speech and the right to petition government in addition to freedom of religion. Even if I accept Moldbug's assertion that religious ideology should be treated no different from other ideology, I can still think that the First Amendment is important.

Comment author: quanticle 07 December 2011 05:29:52PM 2 points [-]

It's hard to be the first to join a revolution, I agree. But should we really be making it easier for ourselves to be the lone dissenting voice in the woods? After all, most of those dissenting voices are just crazy; they don't have access to a greater truth, but they think they do. Maybe the difficulty of starting a revolution is a good thing -- it forces you to be really, really convinced in your idea.

Comment author: [deleted] 21 November 2011 07:59:07PM *  5 points [-]

In general the article was interesting. However the failures described seem to be related to lack of perspicacity more than to irrationality. If upper management are fooled by the middle managers’ signalling, they are not perspicacious enough and probably aren’t fit to be doing their jobs – training in rationality is unlikely to change that.

In the vast majority of failed projects I’ve been called to looked at, the managers have not read one book on software engineering. They haven’t taken one class, read one article, or been to one workshop. At best, they’ve managed other failing software projects.

This is not irrationality per se, but stupidity and incompetence.

Yes, businesses are under pressure to gravitate toward bad engineering practices, but shouldn’t they be under equal market pressure to compete against companies that are using actually good software engineering practices? Why sure, in the long run. But as Keynes succinctly put it, “In the long run, we’ll all be dead.” Eventually is a long time.

An alternative perspective is that extensive government intervention substantially reduces the market pressure that large companies experience. Here is Moldbug on the subject of Dilbertization (the government intervention he implies is its propping up of the maturity transforming banking system):

The late Communist world was a world in which it was often your job to do strange, useless things badly, all day, for no good reason at all.

There is another world in which it is often your job to do strange, useless things badly, all day, for no good reason at all. This is the world of Dilbert. Many of us have experienced it.

My theory is that Dilbert and Brezhnev are the same thing. I call it Dilbert-Brezhnev syndrome, or DBS. While we are certainly not the Soviet Union, my theory is that America has contracted a rather serious case of DBS.

The Soviet Union was a world in which business bore no relation to profit. People did strange, useless things badly because, lacking the discipline of profit that enforces efficiency, they succumbed to ulterior motives. Their unprofitable enterprises, purportedly businesses, were in fact patronage structures.

America is a much more interesting case, because (aside from its endlessly burgeoning political system, including its grant-funded "nongovernmental" periphery), the industries in which we see Dilbert syndrome are private, profitable. Nothing in America today is Brezhnev bad, but it is getting there. [...]

The answer, I think, is our friend zombie finance. We do not have Gosplan, but we have Wall Street. America is Dilbertized to the extent that Wall Street is zombified.

Let's take the loans that created the housing bubble. These were zombie loans to a T. So, for example, Steve Sailer asks: where was capitalism? Why wasn't anyone betting against these loans, and driving them down to their true value?

The answer is that the free market bears very little relationship to the process that distributed these loans. [...]

My feeling is that American zombie finance is largely responsible for the appearance of DBS in the New World. Why is the country covered with hideous developments, strip-malls and chain stores? Because it has, or had, a financial system designed to finance these things. Many of us would prefer a Ritual to a Starbucks and a Joe's Diner to a Burger King, but the chains have an unbeatable advantage: it is much easier for them to get a loan. [...]

Starbucks is subject to the discipline of profit - but it is not as subject as it should be, because its sheer size gives it access to zombie money. Thus the generic can defeat the specific, blandness outcompetes character, and we drink charred cat hair rather than coffee.

Comment author: quanticle 21 November 2011 08:33:48PM 2 points [-]

That's true... for the banking sector. However, the author was talking about the software projects in general. In my experience (and the author's experience appears to agree with mine) the sort of organizational irrationality peculiar to software isn't especially overrepresented in any particular sector. It's present in all sectors, from banking to video games. There's a deep intuition suggesting that adding more workers to the project will make progress occur more quickly. (Bad) middle managers play to that intuition and add workers even when the addition of more workers actually slows down the progress of the project.

I haven't seen any evidence of extensive governmental intervention in, say, XBox Games, but management practices at EA appear to fit this stereotype to a tee.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 03 January 2011 06:35:25AM 1 point [-]

California will implement austerity measures similar to the ones currently being implemented by European countries: 80%.

The bubble underlying the current Chinese boom will collapse: 35%.

Some European country will abandon the Euro: 20%.

Comment author: quanticle 04 January 2011 04:28:42PM *  0 points [-]

I'd personally put the probability of a country abandoning the Euro this year at <5%. I think the major European powers (e.g. Germany and France) are still committed enough to the monetary union to try to make things work out. However, if corrective action fails or is rejected by the voters of southern Europe, then I think we'll see a greater willingness to abandon the Euro by all parties.

EDIT: This raises the related question of, "What is the probability that Greece, Spain, Portugal and Ireland will agree to and implement sufficient austerity measures to prevent a breakup of the Euro?"

Comment author: DSimon 03 January 2011 09:41:09PM *  1 point [-]

It's just a little airborne, it's just a little airborne, it's still good!

  • Homer Simpson (referring to a roast pig experiencing a series of diverting events)
Comment author: quanticle 04 January 2011 04:14:49PM 3 points [-]

I actually like the next statement more:

Awww... its gone isn't it?

At least Homer Simpson accepts that the pig is gone.

Comment author: timtyler 01 January 2011 07:08:12PM *  -6 points [-]

My analysis is here.

Landsburg doesn't seem to be thinking about risk aversion - which is what the whole concept of a diverse portfolio depends upon. Maybe risky propositions are less common for charities than for investments - since charities like to offer people a sure thing. However, there are certainly some "long-shot" charities out there.

Comment author: quanticle 01 January 2011 08:10:00PM 2 points [-]

I submit that the concept of "risk aversion" doesn't really apply to charitable donations. Risk aversion applies to investments, where you have a desire to get your money back. When you give to charity, there is no such expectation.

Comment author: quanticle 27 December 2010 06:15:20PM 1 point [-]

Is this a restatement of the circular argument fallacy?

Comment author: PhilGoetz 08 February 2010 02:27:51PM *  13 points [-]

Interestingly (and somewhat to the author's surprise) there are no published technical articles on cryonics that claim it won't work.

Also interestingly, there appear to be no published technical articles that claim that it will.

Last week, I searched for articles on how mammalian cryopreservation is done. I found nothing. Not a single journal article on any of the techniques Alcor uses. There are many articles on cryopreserving sperm, and embryos; there are studies on attempting to preserve other types of tissue samples. But I could not find a single article on methods to attempt to cryopreserve adult mammals. Not even in the journal Cryobiology, which is entirely about cryopreservation.

Go to the current issue of Cryobiology and look at the article titles to see what actually is being done in the field. Also notice that the author names are almost all Asian and (non-English/French/German) European. Cryonics for humans is most popular in nations that don't publish on cryonics. (Don't know if it's popular in the Nordic countries.)

Comment author: quanticle 09 February 2010 03:39:43AM 1 point [-]

I'm having the same problem. All the studies I've looked at have only studied the plausibility of cryonics. None have actually attempted to freeze and thaw a mammal (or any other warm blooded animal). All the examples of "natural" cryonic preservation deal with cold blooded animals (usually frogs or fish).

Can anyone point me to studies showing that cryogenic freezing and thawing in warm blooded creatures is possible? I'd hate to throw down a bunch of money on a cryonics policy, only to end up dead anyway, because the freezing process permanently damaged my tissues.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 07 February 2010 06:37:18AM *  9 points [-]

Um... if a rock was capable of fulfilling my every need, including a need for interaction with real people, I'd probably spend a lot of time around that rock.

Comment author: quanticle 09 February 2010 03:07:46AM 2 points [-]

Well, if the simulation is that accurate (e.g. its AI passes the Turing Test, so you do think you're interacting with real people), then wouldn't it fulfill your every need?

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