What I mean is that you don't exist, but arational reality does and "you" is the entirety of reality. The body which you see is a part of arational reality. But you can only experience this yourself. Talking of it is the same thing, it is thinking (when what I am saying is that we should not think) because it's just creating maps upon maps. If you just look around, imagine this is arational reality. Then you name an object, that's a thought, which is a map. When thoughts are quiet and you are not labeling and you have given up the notion of "you" existing, you have merged.

Of course it requires you to do the work, and it's probably going to take a long time to give up the map of "you", I haven't done it myself.

Regardless how accurate or inaccurate a map is, it is still a map. But some maps are more or less accurate over other maps. That's fine. That's human projections.

I argue that the territory is arational, which means any representation in relation to the territory is all the same.

The argument is that everything is a map including anything written here, in quotes or not. It's the written language and so forth, however, many layers deep the maps go.

By excluding all maps in direct experience you uncover the territory. Which is you. Which is arational. But only by direct experience.

What makes you think I am arguing for the dualist view? Is it the overall impression or some certain statements?

I do write "subjective experience" and so forth to ease in and try and make this a bit more understandable. :D

I don't fully understand what you mean.

Gravity is a human projection.

But why would being aware something is a human projection change the projection itself?

Dude, we already know that rationality is inside the mind. Reality ("the thing that doesn't go away when you stop believing it") doesn't have to play by any rules.

I get this moment you're having, it's obvious when we talk about a brand new science, that is neuroscience. Even if there are a lot of work still left. In relation to you, that is still a map, that you have a mind. Okay, now I might be playing on definitions if "mind" doesn't mean arational reality to you.

But it does. It's a fact that our puny brains are Turing complete, and that reality is very regular in such a way to be computable. Heck, in such a way to be linear, at a fundamental level!dea

That's your opinion. That's your map.

This must be a sort of joke from the Gods or the Architects of the Matrix.

A cosmic joke :D Really, though, you are the God, the Architect of the Matrix.

I think the one who is not accepting that reality can be described by rationality is you.

I fully agree. I do argue that reality cannot be described by anything, as it is arational. But of course you have to see for yourself.

I think that the territory might be the experience of enlightenment. I wonder what gjm, yudkowsky, Lumifer, reguru or some other rationalist would say after becoming enlightened.

The thought that you know everything interesting about the world, is a thought.

In fact, by thinking that you know, you won't ever be able to know. Because you think you already have what you seek, thus you cannot gain what you seek. In the same manner, you won't buy an expensive object when you already have said object.

I also feel like my sense of wonder diminished. As I write this, I am a little unhappy, and in a period of depression, but I had similar feelings, if less intense, even before this period.

I was wondering whether you have any advice on how to restore this; or even better, how to "forget" as much rationality and transhumanism as possible (if not actually forgetting, then at least "to think and feel as I did before I read the Sequences")?

The unknown is vastly beyond, in fact, if you are familiar with "map not being the territory", you are the territory.

The territory precedes time, space and everything that is a map. Which are, you. The concept of who you think is you is a map.

By practicing daily meditation, you will be able to increase your awareness where the separation of thoughts and awareness occurs, by becoming less oblivious to the maps, all that's left is the territory.

The ego loves to stay in control, and it's a very tricky thing, I can highly recommend starting meditation, every single day, have a timer or follow a guided meditation practice. No matter how you feel or what the day is, get it done, even if you have to do it every time before you go to sleep.

Of course, this isn't medical advice, for emergencies, you should visit a doctor :)

Take care, god bless.

I will say it more explicitly: I do not believe that continuing to discuss this stuff with you is a good use of my time. I gravely doubt it's a good use of the time of anyone else here, but of course it's not for me to say what others should do.

How is this relevant to the discussion? You're talking about different things now.

I think your attempts at "awareness" have regrettably left you hopelessly confused and self-deluded. I do not think you have anything useful to teach me, and I do not think you are open-minded enough to learn anything from me.

I can make the same argument, but I don't see how it leads to anywhere. Why not try and argue for your point? Whenever I make an argument you seem to ignore it completely, use your own definition or strawman. When I try and figure out what you're thinking, you're saying I am speculating what you're thinking two times now, so what? Then tell me what you are thinking.

Maybe you just realize you can't defend your point and have to rationalize the dissonance.

Have a good day,:D

Because you won't say it straight up how you are thinking, I have to guess, so that discussion can continue.

"You've just got yourself into a state where you are oblivious to the maps involved." What does this mean? So everything is a map?

You have not yet succeeded in communicating any new insights to me; we may of course disagree about why that is.

I've numerous times said communication is inherently flawed due to the nature of the concept. It's a subjective experience, which you can find out for yourself.

I know how it's like to think that you're smarter than anyone else, that's fine, I get that feeling too.