Comment author: Decius 27 August 2013 12:42:19AM 0 points [-]

If I am the only agent in my circle of knowledge, I want to believe so.

Comment author: scaphandre 27 August 2013 01:56:29AM 1 point [-]

Agreed. But I'd place more value on searching for other agents when I know none.

From this thread we can see there is not a fixed concept of what meets the agent criteria. If I knew zero other agents, I'd be more inclined to spend more effort searching or perhaps be a little more flexible with my interpretation of what an agent might be.

Of course tricking yourself into solipsism or Wilson worship is a conceivable failure mode, but I don't think it's likely here.

Comment author: notsonewuser 25 August 2013 02:49:22PM 4 points [-]

I aspire to model myself as the only "agent" in the system, kind of like Harry does in HPMOR (with the possible exception of Professor Quirrell). I'm the one whose behavior I can change most directly, so it is unhelpful (at least for me) to model circumstances (which can cause a dangerous victim mentality) or other people as agents. Even if I know I can make an argument to try to change another person's mind, and estimate I have a 50/50 chance of success, it is still me who is making the choice to use Argument A rather than Argument B.

In terms of an NPC/PC distinction, anyone whom I have the ability to reliably model accurately is an NPC to me, and the PC's are everyone else. Both have moral value to me, though people I consider PC's are obviously more interesting for me to hang out with. (Almost) Everyone's a PC to someone, though, so I definitely don't hold it against the people I consider NPCs.

For an example, I consider all three members of my immediate family (my younger sister, my father, and my mother) NPCs. They are all fervent evangelical Christians and that constrains their behaviors significantly. Nonetheless, spending time with them (well, sometimes) evokes positive emotions from me, and I happily do chores for them.

Comment author: scaphandre 26 August 2013 01:09:08AM 4 points [-]

I imagine it is probably emotionally taxing and isolating for a human to model themselves as the only true agent in their world. That's a lot of responsibility, inefficient for big projects (where coordinating with other 'proper' agents might be particularly useful) and probably kinda lonely.

I am all for personal responsibility and recognise that acting to best improve the world is up to me. I am currently implemented in a great ape – a mammal with certain operating requirements. Part of my behaviour in the world has to include acting to keep that great ape working well.

To avoid exposing that silly ape with the emotional weight of the being the only responsible agent in the system and to allow more fun agent-agent interactions, it might make sense to lower the mental bar for those you would call PCs?

Comment author: ChristianKl 23 July 2013 11:51:37AM 2 points [-]

I thought quite a bit about how to measure whether I'm good at Salsa dancing on a particular night. I haven't found a measurement that's adequete.

I could use a measurement like: "How close do woman dance with me?" If a woman enjoys dancing with me she's likely to dance closer than if she doesn't. If I'm however measure my dancing skills on that variable I'm likely to dance with some woman in a way that to close for them and makes them uncomfortable.

I could use a metric just as counting how often a woman asks for my name. If I'm however using that metric I probably won't be the first to ask for a name to increase the chances that the woman asks on her own.

If I'm using a metric such as being asked by woman to dance, I'm less likely to ask on my own.

If I would hand a woman a sheet after a dance to rate my dancing, I would probably be seen as strange.

The average business school grad probably isn't doing very much Quantified Self on his own life. He doesn't know much about actually measuring what he cares about.

Women are not going to enjoy dancing with me more when I try to intellectual control their enjoyment by having a tight feedback loop about some proxy variable that I use to measure their enjoyment. It just doesn't work that way.

On the other hand, if I'm empathic, if I'm in a happy mood and get outside of my head I'm more likely to have success in making woman enjoy dancing with me.

The idea that being in your head and being focused on specific measurements is the only way to care is just flawed.

Comment author: scaphandre 29 July 2013 03:44:46AM *  0 points [-]

In your life, salsa dancing ability is definitely not the sole metric you wish to be optimizing for.

Things you presumably want to optimize might be something like personal happiness, bettering the world or wherever you find meaning.

If one truly wanted to drop resources into optimizing salsa ability, I'd imagine filming the dance floor from a few cellphones every week, uploading the video to youtube and paying a few experts on a salsa forum to give the dancers a rating and feedback would give a somewhat valid metric that you could go about tracking, quantifying and optimizing.

But I presume that that is not the primary goal of most salsa-goers. I guess that people go to salsa dancing nights because they are fun, good exercise and you get to socialize with a group of guys and girls who want to dance with girls and guys.

Can you try tracking happiness? Sure, why not. Have a prompt to record happiness appear at random intervals, or write a journal to note big highs or lows. Then questions like "do things like salsa increase my happiness more than things like video games" or whatever become addressable in a slightly more informed way.

I agree with you that your mind should not be on contrived proxy goals while you are salsa dancing. Better to be enjoying the salsa. But I disagree with the implication that because many metrics are tangential to the 'true' goal, careful measurement is flawed. It it still the fun/happiness that you care about, just now you are doing a smarter job of tracking it.

Comment author: scaphandre 27 July 2013 04:03:14AM 7 points [-]

It can't be easy to adapt Reddit code to run like users here demand. Kudos to Matt et al at Trike Apps for the time and effort on having this site looking smart, working and improving the world.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 22 July 2013 08:44:49AM *  1 point [-]

It's interesting, but it assumes that human desires can be meaningfully mapped into something like a utility function, in a way which makes me skeptical about its usefulness. (Though I have a hard time articulating my objection more clearly than that.)

Comment author: scaphandre 25 July 2013 01:04:47PM *  0 points [-]

I recognise that argument, but surely we can use consideration of utility function in models in order to make progress along thinking about these things.

Even if we crudely imagine a typical human who happens to be ticking all Mazlow's boxes with access to happiness, meaning and resources tending to be more towards our (current...) normalised '1' and someone in solitary confinement, in psychological torture, tending towards our normalised '0' as a utility point – even then the concept is sufficiently coherent and grokable to allow use of these kinds of models?

Do you disagree? I am curious – I have encountered this point several times and I'd like to see where we differ.

Comment author: ChristianKl 23 July 2013 08:20:38AM 5 points [-]

I don't see the value in creating a new group. It probably makes more sense to use the existing one where people who are experienced in polyphasic sleep participate: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/polyphasic

Comment author: scaphandre 23 July 2013 03:57:20PM 3 points [-]

On requesting to join, using a gmail account, I get:

"You do not have permission to join this forum"

Comment author: scaphandre 14 July 2013 05:39:53PM 3 points [-]

I generally prefer the more direct {lesson, evidence}. I have on several occasions thought that Luke has implemented this well.

But - I think we have evidence that EY is a particularly good writer of narrative. While also getting the content across. The epiphany hit is pretty sweet too.

Embedding lessons in stories (like the Blue and Green) makes the mind labile to their content and makes it easier to hang on to the memory and to retell to others. I imagine it comes at the cost to extra thinking and writing time to package lessons so.

Is that cost worth the marginal effort? I'm pretty sure the answer is 'sometimes'.

Comment author: scaphandre 14 July 2013 05:42:55PM 1 point [-]

And if you have a Luke and a Eliezer both on board, surely not everyone needs to their own lesson building, literature sweeps and narrative weaving (in the situations where those might be particularly useful).

Use comparative advantage?

Comment author: scaphandre 14 July 2013 05:39:53PM 3 points [-]

I generally prefer the more direct {lesson, evidence}. I have on several occasions thought that Luke has implemented this well.

But - I think we have evidence that EY is a particularly good writer of narrative. While also getting the content across. The epiphany hit is pretty sweet too.

Embedding lessons in stories (like the Blue and Green) makes the mind labile to their content and makes it easier to hang on to the memory and to retell to others. I imagine it comes at the cost to extra thinking and writing time to package lessons so.

Is that cost worth the marginal effort? I'm pretty sure the answer is 'sometimes'.

Comment author: aelephant 09 June 2013 10:39:37AM *  4 points [-]
Comment author: scaphandre 10 June 2013 12:45:48AM 1 point [-]

I agree blood pressure is a generally a poor predictor of health or mortality.

This is often measured because it is easy to measure, rather than it being particularly informative.

Aelephant - that's a good paper with data on this. I needed to edit that link to http://www.math.ucla.edu/~scp/publications/mortality.PDF for the pdf download to work.

Comment author: westward 18 May 2013 01:14:24AM 6 points [-]

Has anyone tried e-cigarettes as a method to quit smoking or at least ameliorate the effects of smoking?

I smoke about a pack or two a week (3 a day minimum, sometimes binging once a week) and would like to reduce that in order to increase my chances of living longer. Anyone have experience they can share?

Comment author: scaphandre 02 June 2013 01:41:40AM *  0 points [-]

Rather than an e-cig, I currently occasionally use a portable vaporiser, into which I place hand-rolling tobacco.

It raises the raw tobacco to around 250*C, so nicotine is carried in gas and can be inhaled. Nothing is combusted. It's slightly larger than a AA battery and it looks like this.

This gives more nicotine hit, much less lung cancer than smoking and uses cheaper consumable materials than e-cig (you can buy hand-rolling tobacco everywhere, need less than depleting possibly-expensive e-cig cartridges).

It is also likely that this vaporising gives more MAOI hit than e-cig, contributing to both the high and addictive properties. Wiki link

Subjectively, I enjoy this more than than a e-cig. I have actively promoted the use to this device to friends to try to get them off cigarettes.

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