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Comment author: scarcegreengrass 07 March 2017 12:12:29AM 1 point [-]

I found a historical quote that's relevant to AI Safety discussions. This is from the diary of President Harry Truman when he was in the recently-bombed Berlin in 1945. Just interesting to hear someone discuss value alignment so early. Source: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/primary-resources/truman-diary/

"I thought of Carthage, Baalbek, Jerusalem, Rome, Atlantis, Peking, Babylon, Nineveh, Scipio, Ramses II, Titus, Herman, Sherman, Genghis Khan, Alexander, Darius the Great -- but Hitler only destroyed Stalingrad -- and Berlin. I hope for some sort of peace, but I fear that machines are ahead of morals by some centuries and when morals catch up perhaps there'll be no reason for any of it. I hope not. But we are only termites on a planet and maybe when we bore too deeply into the planet there'll be a reckoning. Who knows?"

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 08 February 2017 05:07:10PM *  3 points [-]

9-tsiak awoke over endless crawling milliseconds...

archive.is and archive.org are tools for answering questions like this.

Comment author: scarcegreengrass 01 March 2017 08:59:40PM 0 points [-]

Thank you very much!

Comment author: Daniel_Burfoot 14 February 2017 06:14:20PM 8 points [-]

"But, Bifur, the prophecies are not that clear. It's possible the Balrog will annihilate us, but it's also possible he will eradicate poverty, build us dwarf-arcs to colonize other planets, and grant us immortality. Our previous mining efforts have produced some localized catastrophes, but the overall effect has been fantastically positive, so it's reasonable to believe continued mining will produce even more positive outcomes."

Comment author: scarcegreengrass 28 February 2017 10:03:37PM 0 points [-]

"Yes, but while i'd pay a million diamonds for immortality, i'd pay a thousand million to save the dwarven race. The two paths are wildly disproportionate."

Comment author: scarcegreengrass 08 February 2017 02:22:10PM 1 point [-]

Does anyone have a backup of that one scifi short story from Raikoth about future AGI and acausal trade with simulated hypothetical alien AGI? The link is broken. http://www.raikoth.net/Stuff/story1.html

Comment author: JenniferRM 30 January 2017 05:21:28PM 3 points [-]

I appreciate the poll, but a large part of my goal was to just get a lot of comments, hopefully at the "Ping" level, because I want to see how many people are here with at least that amount of "social oomph" when the topic is themselves.

For people responding to this poll, please also give a very small overall comment that you used the poll.

Comment author: scarcegreengrass 02 February 2017 07:16:22PM 1 point [-]

Used poll.

Comment author: scarcegreengrass 02 February 2017 02:57:51PM 1 point [-]

1-2 visits per week.

I read 1-2 posts per visit.

50% link click rate.

Desktop via browser, sometimes RSS (Feedly).

I generally prefer the Less Wrong slack to this site. But this site has a karma system, which i like. (Contact Elo here for more info).

I might start reading the similar effective-altruism.com too.

Comment author: James_Miller 24 January 2017 01:19:08AM *  11 points [-]

Gender equality: reduction in male female differences in lifespan, deaths on the job, % victory in custody disputes, % in prison, % in college, % in medical school, % in law school, and eliminating any gender favoritism in college sexual harassment complaint adjudication.

Comment author: scarcegreengrass 24 January 2017 08:42:46PM 1 point [-]

(Also income and other professional phenomena.)

Comment author: Viliam 19 January 2017 10:02:51AM 6 points [-]

Two important things, both already said at the comments below the linked article:

1) http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/25/race-and-justice-much-more-than-you-wanted-to-know/

2) Imagine that we replace the cops with intelligent robots who have zero feelings of racism or anything. Let's assume that the robots, despite being perfectly fair, also contain a software bug which triggers at random moments and causes them to kill a perfectly randomly selected person in sight. This itself is enough to cause a disproportionate amount of the innocent victims to be black. Simply because people often live groupped by ethnicity, some groups have disproportionally higher crime rate, so even the fair robot who would completely randomly choose which crime to investigate, would spend disproportionally more time surrounded by people of this ethnicity, which in turn would make them more likely to become victims of its software bug. Is it fair? No. Is it racist? Also no. That would be a false dilemma.

PS: Also please don't feed Eugine. You can easily guess which one is his latest account.

Comment author: scarcegreengrass 24 January 2017 08:28:18PM 1 point [-]

Ah. Thank you for the reminder about Science. Under the assumption that user Science is the same person who previously used a software exploit to give -10 to all comments that disagreed with him back in 2016, i will be treating them as a troll from now on.

(I was wondering why Science had so many upvotes here.)

Comment author: Science 19 January 2017 07:45:20AM 5 points [-]

why people say "All Lives Matter" as a response to "Black Lives Matter"

Ok, I'll explain. Because the "Black Lives Matter" movement is actively evil, but directly pointing this out in many social circles is liable to cause one massive problems such as social ostracism or loosing one's job. Thus "All Lives Matter" is a way for people to avoid potentially having their lives destroyed without actively supporting an evil movement.

Comment author: scarcegreengrass 24 January 2017 08:18:39PM 0 points [-]

Thank you for clarifying your perspective.

Comment author: Science 19 January 2017 07:32:54AM 3 points [-]

In the specific context of police brutality in America, victimization - of the innocent, by the way, as well as the guilty - is disproportionately determined by race. This disparity is the specific problem BLM was set up to address. By the logic that says it is not useful for anyone to focus on this specific problem because other, more widespread problems exist, you can say it's worthless to focus on any specific problem if there exists a greater problem.

It's the exact same logic you use in the parent for why we shouldn't focus on ALM or women rapists.

Why waste any energy on any problem in America at all? America is a small part of the world. Focus on malaria instead.

Also, focusing on brutality doesn't actively make malaria worse. Whereas the the way BLM focuses on police brutality by discouraging policing of black neighborhoods actively makes the much larger problem of black brutality (mostly against other blacks) significantly worse.

No, not because it's more common - it's nowhere near more common, given the difference in population sizes - because it's disproportionate.

Sure, replace "common" with "disproportionate" in everything I wrote.

Again, no - the argument for Black History Month is that history as generally taught focuses on the historical roles played by white people to the near or total exclusion of black people.

That's because there are disproportionately (and absolutely) more historically significant things done by whites.

I think we ought to pause for a second here and query whether this discussion is worth pursuing.

Why? Because I'm showing that your position is BS?

We're discussing a hot-button, emotionally-charged political topic on LW, which isn't really the place for that,

In that case the OP doesn't belong on LW.

because there's not a clear argument here.

Specifically, you're position appears to be incoherent, and my argument consists of demonstrating this.

We've already gone from "BLM v. ALM" to "BLM in general" and are starting to creep into "race relations in America in general".

That's because race relations in America in general is relevant to BLM.

Comment author: scarcegreengrass 24 January 2017 08:06:55PM 0 points [-]

I am OP (a week late) and i am perfectly willing to accept the idea that this post doesn't belong on LW. However, there is no need to escalate to calling another LWer's comment 'bullshit'.

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