Comment author: [deleted] 19 March 2015 08:38:04AM 3 points [-]

Describing good play as "making few mistakes" seems like the wrong terminology to me. A mistake is not a thing, in and of itself, it's just the entire space of possible games outside the very narrow subset that lead to victory. If you give me a list of 100 chess mistakes, you've actually told me a lot less about the game than if you've given me a list of 50 good strategies -- identifying a point in the larger space of losing strategies encodes far less information than picking one in the smaller space of winning.

And the real reason I'm nitpicking here is because my advisor has always proceeded mostly by pointing out mistakes, but rarely by identifying helpful, effective strategies, and so I feel like I've failed to learn much from him for very solid information-theoretic reasons.

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Comment author: slicko 20 March 2015 03:22:13AM 1 point [-]

My first downvote, yay! Didn't feel that bad :)

Anyway, my comment was merely an attempt to allay the philosophical worries expressed in the parent quote and so I used the same terms; it wasn't meant as pedagogy.

Comment author: Salemicus 02 March 2015 02:24:14PM *  18 points [-]

The mistakes are there, waiting to be made.

Savielly Tartakower, on the starting position in chess. Source.

Comment author: slicko 13 March 2015 06:58:42PM 1 point [-]

Luckily you only have to make fewer mistakes than your opponent to win.

Comment author: slicko 13 March 2015 06:47:50PM *  9 points [-]

Good work guys!

This might be the excuse I need to finally go through the complete sequences as opposed to relying on cherry-picking posts whenever I encounter a reference I don't already know.

Comment author: Nornagest 01 March 2015 12:05:31AM 1 point [-]

What are you trying to buy yourself by getting better at Raven's matrices?

Comment author: slicko 01 March 2015 12:30:10AM *  3 points [-]

Not buying anything, just trying to satisfy my desire to optimize any skill I have (Raven's matrices, crumbled paper basketball, driving, how to hold a pen, or any other skill).

See my previous answers to JonahSinick for more details.

Comment author: JonahSinick 28 February 2015 10:11:24PM 1 point [-]

So, along that same thread, I noticed inefficiencies in my IQ test taking skills (as I outlined in my original question), which prompted me to query you guys for any tips for improvement.

... but a key point of my post is that context-free abstract pattern recognition ability is innate and can't be learned :-). You can learn how to answer standard Raven's matrices type questions, by learning patterns used to construct the items, but the skills built aren't transferable – if given a different kind of test of context-free abstract pattern recognition ability, you would do no better than you would now. It is possible to improve a great deal as a mathematical thinker, but trying to build this sort of skill is not the way to do it.

Comment author: slicko 28 February 2015 10:28:02PM *  1 point [-]

I appreciate your response, but I think you're forgetting my original question.

I got the answer in under 2 minutes (didn't time it exactly). However, when I first identified my answer candidate (answer 2), it was probably about two thirds of the way in. I got the correct answer by going across at first, but then spent additional time double checking my work using columns, and then double checking my answer before "committing".

I got the answer correctly and in under 2 minutes. I saw the pattern relatively effortlessly, but was only inquiring as to how to optimize the speed by fixing my "hesitation" to commit to the answer until I've double-checked it and ruled out any bait answers as well.

Comment author: IlyaShpitser 20 February 2015 03:25:36PM *  1 point [-]

Seconding this, weird notation makes many folks lose morale easily. I guess one watershed moment comes when, having conquered enough notation in specific cases, one realizes it's just a formal symbol pushing game in general, and then new weird looking notation doesn't cause a morale crisis.

Novel math papers often just invent new notation as they go.

Comment author: slicko 28 February 2015 10:22:44PM 0 points [-]

I'm reminded of Graham's number (g notation) as an example where new notation (kind of) was invented for the purposes of a math paper.

I read a riveting blog post a few months ago introducing several concepts and building up to graham's number in a very accessible read if anyone's interested:

http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/11/1000000-grahams-number.html

Comment author: gjm 20 February 2015 02:49:49PM 3 points [-]

I suspect that all that shows is that you aren't used to the relevant bits of mathematics, and being confronted with unfamiliar and weird-looking notation intimidates you. There's no shame in that, and it says basically nothing about your intelligence or your natural aptitude for mathematics.

(Remember that the Raven matrices are designed to have as little dependence on prior knowledge as possible; mathematical questions, almost by definition, are not.)

Comment author: slicko 28 February 2015 10:13:44PM 0 points [-]

I agree with your overall response, but your note that "weird-looking notation intimidates you" kind of surprised me.

From my perspective, it's not a question of intimidation so much as it is a recognition that the question is targeting a different audience (one who knows such notation).

If you encounter new notation, there is no way to derive the answer anyway by simply "facing" it head on (i.e. without being intimidated), you actually have to look up the notation and any associated information you didn't already know, which requires a higher activation energy (and enthusiasm) than trying your hand at a question with known notation.

Comment author: shminux 28 February 2015 04:35:48PM 2 points [-]

Echoing Ilya here. IQ tests are a rough guide of what's possible to achieve, not a predictor of success and satisfaction in life. Like height is a rough guide of what's possible to achieve in basketball. If you are 5'10", NBA is probably not for you. If your IQ tests keep returning under 120, you will probably not be an MIT prof. Unless you have some exceptional abilities not captured by these simple tests. Find something at you enjoy doing AND are very good at, and work on it. It'll pay.

Comment author: slicko 28 February 2015 09:58:16PM 0 points [-]

See my response to JonahSinick below

Comment author: JonahSinick 28 February 2015 07:12:48AM 2 points [-]

What are your goals?

Comment author: slicko 28 February 2015 09:53:53PM *  1 point [-]

The replies to my query suggest a bit of concern that I'm be placing too much value on IQ tests, which to be honest is not quite true. I've never actually taken a formal IQ test and don't actually know my IQ score. It's really not a big concern to me, though I do believe I'm smarter than average, but then again, most people think that too.

However, to answer your question,it's just my personality - I like to optimize stuff. It doesn't matter what it is, if I recognize that there's a slightly more efficient way to do something, I want to learn it and do it better. It can be as simple as someone throwing a crumbled paper into a recycling bin from a few feet away, if I notice someone is able to do that slightly more efficiently than the way I'm doing it and with better results, then I get really curious and determined to figure out how to optimize my own shots.

So, along that same thread, I noticed inefficiencies in my IQ test taking skills (as I outlined in my original question), which prompted me to query you guys for any tips for improvement.

And in response to shminux and Ilya's concerns, this personality trait of mine is actually quite healthy and a valued asset, it's the reason why I did well academically and am doing well in my career, so nothing to worry about!

Comment author: slicko 28 February 2015 05:47:09AM 3 points [-]

One thing that kept nagging at me while reading this post is my own experience with taking the SAT's back in grade 11.

I don't remember my score exactly on the verbal section, but it was something like 590. Now, I've always had a noticeably above average command of language and verbal reasoning in my native tongue (based on academic feedback + my own observations), but this is obviously not reflected in the above score.

However, this is explained in my case by the fact that I only really began learning English in grade 10 (I only knew basic words from being raised in a foreign schooling system, but suddenly switched to an all English schooling system in grade 10).

I distinctly remember, during the SAT test, thinking that questions where I actually knew the vocabulary involved (whether in the question itself, the choice answers, or both) were quite enjoyable and "easy", for lack of a better word. However, I also distinctly remember staring at many questions where the vocabulary was completely unknown to me (after only 2 years of studying full-time in English); those questions I left blank or took a random guess (when I had any inkling, no matter how weak).

So, having said that, I believe it's quite reasonable to assume that TT's outstanding performance on the SAT math section at such a young age is largely attributable to the fact that math is logical and can be derived from first principles given enough intelligence. However, the ability to perform equally well on the verbal section is highly dependent on the amount of vocabulary you have accumulated up to that point (which is significantly limited when you're a mere 10-year old and haven't had to go through another 7+ years of formal education and self-learning).

To put it more concisely, I believe the SAT's verbal section depends significantly on the crystallized intelligence aspect (in the form of accumulated vocabulary), whereas the math section can be conquered with sufficiently high fluid intelligence alone.

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