Comment author: sriku 11 May 2011 07:34:07AM 2 points [-]

Question to lukeprog: Do you have any efficiency recommendations for more technical subjects? Stuff on the lines of Eliezer's quantum physics sequence (aiming more than that, but at least that much). The thing that weighs on my mind most when dealing with such subjects is testing my own competence ... and so it takes me a considerable about of time.

Comment author: sriku 10 May 2011 02:01:53AM *  7 points [-]

Subject: Basic mathematical physics

Recommendation: Bamberg and Sternberg's A Course in Mathematics for Students of Physics. (two volumes)

Reason: It is difficult to compare this book with other text books since it is extremely accessible, going all the way from 2D linear algebra to exterior calculus/differential geometry, covering electrodynamics, topology and thermodynamics. There is potential for insights into electrodynamics even compared to Feynman's lectures (which I've slurped) or Griffith's. For ex: treating circuit theory and Maxwell's equations as the same mathematical thing. The treatment of exterior calculus is more accessible than the only other treatment I've read which is in Misner Thorne Wheeler's Gravitation.

Comment author: sriku 10 May 2011 02:09:48AM 0 points [-]

I must add that I kept both volumes with me under continuous reborrowal from the univ library for an entire year during my undergrad! Sad and glad that nobody else wanted it :)

Comment author: sriku 10 May 2011 02:01:53AM *  7 points [-]

Subject: Basic mathematical physics

Recommendation: Bamberg and Sternberg's A Course in Mathematics for Students of Physics. (two volumes)

Reason: It is difficult to compare this book with other text books since it is extremely accessible, going all the way from 2D linear algebra to exterior calculus/differential geometry, covering electrodynamics, topology and thermodynamics. There is potential for insights into electrodynamics even compared to Feynman's lectures (which I've slurped) or Griffith's. For ex: treating circuit theory and Maxwell's equations as the same mathematical thing. The treatment of exterior calculus is more accessible than the only other treatment I've read which is in Misner Thorne Wheeler's Gravitation.

Comment author: rstarkov 09 March 2011 06:07:29PM 1 point [-]

The original description of the problem doesn't mention if you know of Omega's strategy for deciding what to place in box B, or their success history in predicting this outcome - which is obviously a very important factor.

If you know these things, then the only rational choice, obviously and by a huge margin, is to pick only box B.

If you don't know anything other than box B may or may not contain a million dollars, and you have no reasons to believe that it's unlikely, like in the lottery, then the only rational decision is to take both. This also seems to be completely obvious and unambiguous.

But since this community has spent a while debating this, I conclude that there's a good chance I have missed something important. What is it?

Comment author: sriku 10 May 2011 12:05:25AM *  2 points [-]

It looks like you just restated the "paradox" - using one argument, it is "obvious" to pick B and using another argument, it is "obvious" to pick both.

Also, in general, do try to avoid saying something is "obvious". It usually throws a lot of complexity and potential faults into a black box and worsens your chances of uncovering those faults by intimidating people.

Comment author: sriku 07 May 2011 06:30:19AM *  1 point [-]

How would Newcomb's problem look like in the physical world, taking quantum physics into account? Specifically, would Omega need to know quantum physics in order to predict my decision on "to one box or not to one box"?

To simplify the picture, imagine that Omega has a variable with it that can be either in the state A+B or B and which is expected to correlate with my decision and therefore serves to "predict" me. Omega runs some physical process to arrive at the contents of this variable. I'm assuming that "to predict" means "to simulate" - i.e. Omega can predict me by running a simulation of me (say using a universal quantum Turing machine) though that is not necessarily the only way to do so. Given that we're in a quantum world, would Omega actually need to simulate me in order to ensure a correlation between its variable and my choice, potentially in another galaxy, of whether to pick A+B or B?

Say |Oab> and |Ob> are the two eigenstates of Omega's variable (w.r.t. some operator it has) and the box system in front of me similarly has two eigenstates |Cab> and |Cb> ("C" for "choice") and my "action" is simply a choice of measuring the box system in the state |Cab> or in the state |Cb> and not a mixture of them.

If Omega sets up an EPR-like entanglement between its variable and the box system of the form m|Oab>|Cab> + n|Ob>|Cb>, and then chooses to measure a mixed state of its variable, say, |Oab>+|Ob>, it can bifurcate the universe. Then, if I measure |Cab> (i.e. choose A+B), I end up in the same universe as the one in which Omega measured its variable to be |Oab> and if I choose |Cb>, I end up in the same universe as the one in which Omega measured its variable to be |Ob>. Therefore, if our two systems are entangled this way, Omega wouldn't need to take any trouble to simulate me at all in order to ensure its reputation of being a perfect predictor!

That is only as far as Omega's reputation for being a perfect predictor is concerned. But hold on for a moment there. In this setup, the box system's state is not disconnected from that of Omega's predictor variable even if Omega has left the galaxy and yet Omega cannot causally influence it "contents". In my thinking, this is an argument against the stance of the "causal decision theorists" that whatever the contents of the box, it is "fixed" and therefore I maximize my utility by picking A+B. This is now an argument for the one boxers observing that Omega has shown a solid history of being right (i.e. Omega's internal variable has always correlated with the choices of all the people before), forming the simplest (?) explanation that Omega could be using quantum entanglement (edit: EPR-like entanglement) to effect the correlation, and therefore choosing to one box so that they end up in the universe with a million bucks instead of the one with a thousand.

So, my final question to people here is this - does knowledge of quantum physics resolve Newcomb's problem in favour of the one boxers? If not, the arguments certainly would be interesting to read :)

edit: To clarify the argument against the causal decision theorists, "B is either empty or has a million bucks" is not true. It could be in a superposition of the two that is entangled with Omega's variable. Therefore the standard causal argument for picking A+B doesn't hold any more.

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