Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 24 November 2012 11:08:16PM 8 points [-]

I think the concept is that content is included from trusting volunteers who were told to expect Crocker's Rules in the audience, and if you're not willing to abide by that trust, you shouldn't read.

Comment author: steven0461 25 November 2012 01:44:41AM 2 points [-]

So it sounds like the content can't be posted under Crocker's rules, because it's unreasonable to unilaterally exempt oneself from all ordinary social norms of politeness, even when people (sort of) have the option not to read; and the content can't be posted not under Crocker's rules, because the authors were promised that if it were posted, it would be under Crocker's rules. Maybe that means that if we're serious about upholding norms, it means daenerys has torpedoed her own project by making a promise she couldn't keep.

Comment author: [deleted] 25 November 2012 12:15:34AM -4 points [-]

If you go over the comments and look at the ones that are complainy in nature... I think they were all posted by men.

This is food for thought.

Comment author: steven0461 25 November 2012 12:48:59AM *  5 points [-]

And if you look at the meta-complainy ones, they were all posted by you!

(ETA: Turns out I was wrong.)

Comment author: [deleted] 23 November 2012 11:56:41PM 20 points [-]

That's why I called it Crocker's Warning and not Crocker's Rules. I am implying that by reading the content you are agreeing to Crocker's Rules. It's just a way of saying that the submitters were told not to hold back, and if you want it sugar-coated, you shouldn't read it.

Comment author: steven0461 24 November 2012 12:07:49AM 6 points [-]

Neat, can I put one of those on my comments feed?

Comment author: steven0461 23 November 2012 11:45:12PM 24 points [-]

this is your warning that Crocker's Rules apply to the following content

That's not how Crocker's Rules work; they're supposed to be declared by the listener, who thereby takes responsibility for any hurt feelings caused by the content. You can't declare Crocker's rules on behalf of others.

Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 07 November 2012 07:56:04AM *  18 points [-]

"Because they were hypocrites," Finkle-McGraw said, after igniting his calabash and shooting a few tremendous fountains of smoke into the air, "the Victorians were despised in the late twentieth century. Many of the persons who held such opinions were, of course, guilty of the most nefandous conduct themselves, and yet saw no paradox in holding such views because they were not hypocrites themselves-they took no moral stances and lived by none."

"So they were morally superior to the Victorians-" Major Napier said, still a bit snowed under. "-even though-in fact, because-they had no morals at all." There was a moment of silent, bewildered head-shaking around the copper table.

"We take a somewhat different view of hypocrisy," Finkle-McGraw continued. "In the late-twentieth-century Weltanschauung, a hypocrite was someone who espoused high moral views as part of a planned campaign of deception-he never held these beliefs sincerely and routinely violated them in privacy. Of course, most hypocrites are not like that. Most of the time it's a spirit-is-willing, flesh-is-weak sort of thing."

"That we occasionally violate our own stated moral code," Major Napier said, working it through, "does not imply that we are insincere in espousing that code."

"Of course not," Finkle-McGraw said. "It's perfectly obvious, really. No one ever said that it was easy to hew to a strict code of conduct. Really, the difficulties involved-the missteps we make along the way are what make it interesting. The internal, and eternal, struggle, between our base impulses and the rigorous demands of our own moral system is quintessentially human. It is how we conduct ourselves in that struggle that determines how we may in time be judged by a higher power."

— Neal Stephenson, The Diamond Age

Comment author: steven0461 07 November 2012 09:12:35AM 3 points [-]
Comment author: steven0461 05 November 2012 10:12:00PM *  17 points [-]

Being in California, Gelman et al. put my probability of a decisive vote around 1/(5 million).

As the paper says:

[W]e consider how the results would change as better information is added so as to increase the accuracy of the forecasts. In most states this will have the effect of reducing the chance of an exact tie; that is, adding information will bring the probability that one vote will be decisive even closer to 0.

And as it turns out, conditional on polls and other information from right before the election, one would have to assign a very low probability that California will (almost) vote Republican. Also, conditional on California (almost) voting Republican, one would have to assign a very high probability that enough other states will vote Republican to make California's outcome not matter.

It seems to me that a reasonable probability estimate here would be multiple orders of magnitude lower than the cited estimate; and it seems to me that together with the optimal philanthropy point made by user:theduffman and user:dankane and user:JohnMaxwellIV elsewhere in the thread, this makes voting in states like California not worthwhile based on the calculation presented in the original post.

Comment author: OrphanWilde 01 August 2012 04:03:41PM 0 points [-]

What signal I can get from the poll suggests this project, which may be continued or discontinued based on its success or failure.

Comment author: steven0461 01 August 2012 05:06:58PM 1 point [-]

It seems suboptimal to only use a single poll result when we have a lot more data available. For example, there was a poll here.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 01 August 2012 03:45:32PM *  11 points [-]

In line with the results of the poll here

The poll (link) was a mess, so it's incorrect to justify this project by its "results".

Comment author: steven0461 01 August 2012 05:01:14PM *  19 points [-]

Also, if you post a poll late in a politics thread, you'll disproportionately reach people who 1) are interested in politics and 2) didn't think the thread was a failure.

Comment author: Grognor 16 March 2012 05:29:55AM *  7 points [-]

A meta-anthropic explanation for why people today think about the Doomsday Argument: observer moments in our time period have not solved the doomsday argument yet, so only observer moments in our time period are thinking about it seriously. Far-future observer moments have already solved it, so a random sample of observer moments that think about the doomsday argument and still are confused are guaranteed to be on this end of solving it.

(I don't put any stock in this. [Edit: this may be because I didn't put any stock in the Doomsday argument either.])

Comment author: steven0461 31 July 2012 06:42:13AM 0 points [-]

But if even a tiny fraction of future observers thinks seriously about the hypothesis despite knowing the solution...

Comment author: fiddlemath 28 July 2012 11:43:36PM *  11 points [-]

If it is a dig, it ought not be. Doing useful drudgery despite bystander effects is remarkable and surprising, and should be applauded!

Comment author: steven0461 29 July 2012 12:28:35AM 1 point [-]

I think you interpreted "dig" as meaning "dig at user:shokwave", as did I initially. I think it instead meant "dig at user:Alicorn".

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