Less Wrong is a community blog devoted to refining the art of human rationality. Please visit our About page for more information.

Comment author: steven0461 03 December 2016 05:28:34AM *  0 points [-]

Maybe an important advantage of AI-assisted moderation is it would reduce personal conflict between moderators and moderated (which might currently be a larger cost on the moderators than time). People who avoid a site because of fears that they'll be downvoted by humans might feel less bad about sometimes being downvoted by an algorithm trained on humans.

Comment author: steven0461 02 December 2016 05:19:03PM *  1 point [-]

I think the point of this:

Believing that a paperclip maximizer won't respond to the arguments you're using doesn't mean that you think that every species has its own values and no values are better than any other.

is to say that there doesn't exist any relevant perspective from which "no values are better than any other" makes sense. Contrast with the case of "no ice cream flavor is better than any other", where there does exist such a perspective (that of maximizing ice cream delight by matching people to their preferred ice cream flavors). The claim is that importing any moral intuitions from the ice cream case to the morality case would be a mistake; that purely descriptive interpretations of "every species has its own values" may be true, but any normative content you might read into it ("every species has its own values [that are in some sense proper to it and appropriate for it to pursue]") is confused.

Comment author: Evan_Gaensbauer 28 November 2016 06:10:03AM 7 points [-]

You can already do this. If you click on a user's profile, there will be a little box in the top right corner. Click on the button that says "add to friends" there. When you "friend" someone on LessWrong, it just means you follow them. If you go to www.lesswrong.com/r/friends, there's a feed with submissions from only the other users you're following.

Comment author: steven0461 28 November 2016 06:17:38AM 3 points [-]

Cool, thanks, but it looks like that's posts only, not comments.

Meetup : San Jose Meetup: Park Day (X)

0 steven0461 28 November 2016 02:46AM

Discussion article for the meetup : San Jose Meetup: Park Day (X)

WHEN: 04 December 2016 03:00:00PM (-0800)

WHERE: 438 Coleman Ave, San Jose, CA 95110

You're invited to bring whatever you'd like to see at Park Day - balls, frisbees, food, etc. (Also, consider taking measures against the sun.) We'll carry a green blanket so you can recognize us. The idea is to gather outside near the listed address at the park entrance first, but probably walk elsewhere soon. If you can't find us or there's something else, please call me (Steven) at 510-6844565.

Discussion article for the meetup : San Jose Meetup: Park Day (X)

Comment author: AnnaSalamon 27 November 2016 10:23:15PM 1 point [-]

Ignoring the feasibility question for a minute, I'm confused about whether it would be desirable (if feasible). There are some obvious advantages to making it easy for people to choose what to read. And as a general heuristic, making it easy for people to do things they want to do seems usually good/cooperative. But there are also strong advantages to having common knowledge of particular content/arguments (a cannon; a single thread of assumed "yes that's okay to assume and build on"); and making user displays individual (as e.g. Facebook does) cuts heavily against that.

(I realize you weren't talking about what was all-things-considered desirable, only about what feels exciting/boring.)

Comment author: steven0461 27 November 2016 10:39:38PM *  1 point [-]

That seems an important set of concerns, but also I'm not sure how much people are letting lack of canonicity bother them in choosing what to cite and reply to, and popular content will become canon through other mechanisms than the front page, and the more canon there exists, the harder it will be to take it as common knowledge. User-picked content is to some extent also compatible with canon, e.g. through social pressure to read a general "best of" feed. (Just to be clear, though, I don't think this is probably the way we should go / the best use of resources.)

Comment author: steven0461 27 November 2016 10:17:38PM 7 points [-]

I agree with your comments on small intellectually generative circles and wonder if the optimal size there might not be substantially smaller than LW. It's my sense that LW has been good for dissemination, but most of the generation of thoughts has been done in smaller IRL circles. A set of people more selected for the ability and will to focus on the problem you describe in 1-3, if gathered in some internet space outside LW, might be able to be a lot more effective.

Comment author: sarahconstantin 27 November 2016 10:27:46AM 17 points [-]

1: the general move of the internet away from blogs and forums and towards social media.

In particular, there seems to be a mental move that people make, that I've seen people write about quite frequently, of wanting to avoid the more "official"-seeming forms of online discussion, and towards more informal places. From blogging to FB, from FB to Tumblr and Twitter, and thence to Snapchat and other stuff I'm too old for. Basically, people say that they're intimidated to talk on the more official, public channels. I get a sense of people feeling hassled by unfriendly commenters, and also a sense of something like "kids wanting to hang out where the grownups aren't", except that the "kids" here are often adults themselves. A sense that you'll be judged if you do your honest best to write what you actually believe, in front of people who might critique it, and so that it's safer to do something that leaves you less exposed, like sharing memes.

I think the "hide, go in the darkness, do things that you can't do by daylight" Dionysian kind of impulse is not totally irrational (a lot of people do have judgmental employers or families) but it's really counterproductive to discourse, which is inherently an Apollonian, daylight kind of activity.

Comment author: steven0461 27 November 2016 09:31:15PM 3 points [-]

To me, the major advantage of social media is they make it easy to choose whose content to read. A version of LW where only my 25 favorite posters were visible would be exciting where the current version is boring. (I don't think that's a feasible change, but maybe it's another data point that helps people understand the problem.)

Meetup : San Jose Meetup: Park Day (IX), 3pm

0 steven0461 01 November 2016 03:40PM

Discussion article for the meetup : San Jose Meetup: Park Day (IX), 3pm

WHEN: 06 November 2016 04:00:00PM (-0700)

WHERE: 438 Coleman Ave, San Jose, CA 95110

[PLEASE NOTE: The meetup is at 3pm PST, even though for me it's being displayed as 4pm PDT. It is not at 4pm PST.] You're invited to bring whatever you'd like to see at Park Day - balls, frisbees, food, etc. (Also, consider taking measures against the sun.) We'll carry a green blanket so you can recognize us. The idea is to gather outside near the listed address at the park entrance first, but probably walk elsewhere soon. If you can't find us or there's something else, please call me (Steven) at 510-6844565.

Discussion article for the meetup : San Jose Meetup: Park Day (IX), 3pm

Meetup : San Jose Meetup: Park Day (VIII)

0 steven0461 06 September 2016 12:47AM

Discussion article for the meetup : San Jose Meetup: Park Day (VIII)

WHEN: 11 September 2016 03:00:00PM (-0700)

WHERE: 438 Coleman Ave, San Jose, CA 95110

You're invited to bring whatever you'd like to see at Park Day - balls, frisbees, food, etc. (Also, consider taking measures against the sun.) We'll carry a green blanket so you can recognize us. The idea is to gather outside near the listed address at the park entrance first, but probably walk elsewhere soon. If you can't find us or there's something else, please call me (Steven) at 510-6844565.

Discussion article for the meetup : San Jose Meetup: Park Day (VIII)

Meetup : Meetup : San Jose Meetup: Park Day (VII)

0 steven0461 15 August 2016 01:05AM

Discussion article for the meetup : Meetup : San Jose Meetup: Park Day (VII)

WHEN: 21 August 2016 03:00:00PM (-0700)

WHERE: 438 Coleman Ave, San Jose, CA 95110

Update: It turns out I won't be able to attend. Sorry for the late notice. I can no longer guarantee that at least one other person will be present, and there won't be a coordination point unless someone else volunteers, but if you want, you can still show up and see if someone else is there at the parking lot.

You're invited to bring whatever you'd like to see at Park Day - balls, frisbees, food, etc. (Also, consider taking measures against the sun.) We'll carry a green blanket so you can recognize us. The idea is to gather outside near the listed address at the park entrance first, but probably walk elsewhere soon. If you can't find us or there's something else, please call me (Steven) at 510-6844565.

Discussion article for the meetup : Meetup : San Jose Meetup: Park Day (VII)

View more: Next