Comment author: Eloise 01 March 2014 11:04:32PM 13 points [-]

For example, if you have a "shy person" identity, then going to parties or starting conversations with strangers can generate counterexamples for that identity, and help to displace it with a new one of "sociable person". Costly signaling can be used to achieve this - for example, joining a public speaking club.

Counterintuitively, I think that joining Toastmasters has actually made me identify more strongly as an introvert, mostly because my introversion is never more painfully obvious than when I'm there. So, observing myself attending Toastmasters isn't enough for the "sociable person" identity to stick; I'll have to get to the point where I observe myself attending Toastmasters and also observe myself not feeling terrible about the whole talking thing while I'm there.

Comment author: terasinube 02 March 2014 06:31:39PM 4 points [-]

Have you noticed any improvement on social anxiety since you joined Toastmasters? Is it in any way easier now to speak up?

Comment author: terasinube 02 March 2014 06:16:57PM 6 points [-]

Listen as much audio spoken by native speakers as you can. My guess is that children programs are best. Maybe some Hebrew dubbed cartoons that you are already familiar with. First priority is to get your brain trained on the sounds of the language.

Speak with a native speaker that knows English. You can use http://livemocha.com/ for this.

Speak badly but speak.

From my personal experience, biggest hurdle in learning a new language is actually using it. Getting past the "shame" filter of your brain. If you accept that mistakes are unavoidable and just start speaking, you will get a lot of practice and you will improve. Of course, it's nice having a professional aware of the fact that you are a beginner, giving you clear and precise feedback. :)

Comment author: ChristianKl 01 March 2014 08:34:39PM *  2 points [-]

Love, as I view it is not something that can be easily defined.

That just means that you don't have a well defined concept of the term you are speaking about. I would guess the same is true for most Lesswrongers for most emotions.

But as far as your link goes, I would predict that most people on LW won't be receptive to that kind of talk. I would be very surprised to be proven wrong.

As for emotions... why would anyone dislike the joy of figuring things out? the post flow feeling of accomplishment?

If you want a fancy answer: Second-order cybernetics.

A simple answer would be because you can't feel a strong emotion while wearing a mask. It requires you to give up control and get out of your head. I mean something specific with the phrase "get out of your head", but I would guess that a good portion of LW don't know exactly what I'm talking about and I know of no way to make it clear via this medium.

I could probably come up with a bunch of more reasons if I would invest time.

Comment author: terasinube 02 March 2014 05:46:24PM 0 points [-]

That just means that you don't have a well defined concept of the term you are speaking about. I would guess the same is true for most Lesswrongers for most emotions.

Good point. It made me realise that I haven't investigated this more seriously lately.

Comment author: Lumifer 26 February 2014 06:27:50PM 3 points [-]

2 things come to my mind as examples

Notably, both are fiction.

So, what would a rational story be about? Health and Happiness sound like good bets. It should incorporate elements described by religious mysticism, stuff like Love, Joy, Strength, Peace, Trust, etc. It should position itself to the current effort to find common ground... like the Charter for Compassion. It should be about a long journey of discovering the power of love.

<rolls eyes> And what exactly would make that story "rational"? Pray to St.Bayes to discover the power of love? X-0

Comment author: terasinube 02 March 2014 05:34:31PM 0 points [-]

I think a fidelity to the truth will make the story rational. I would love a story without slips into magikal thinking.

Comment author: ChristianKl 26 February 2014 08:01:48PM 0 points [-]

So, what would a rational story be about?

HPMOR is a good rational story.

Health and Happiness sound like good bets.

I think a rational story in which the protagonist uses CBT from The Feeling Good Handbook to become happy and end his depression, would be a good project.

I don't think it's an easy project but there a possibility for high impact. In case anybody feels the call for writing that story and wants help with getting the narrative right, I would be happy to do it as a joint project or just advice.

It should incorporate elements described by religious mysticism, stuff like Love, Joy, Strength, Peace, Trust, etc. It should position itself to the current effort to find common ground... like the Charter for Compassion. It should be about a long journey of discovering the power of love.

The problem is that a lot of the people in this community don't like the idea of emotions let alone deep ones like love. This community would have to shift quite a bit.

Dave Chapman's article going down on the phenomenon illustrates an ideal of love for science that I consider worthy of being spread.

Getting the narrative right to make that ideal of love is acceptable to the average LW person is a hard task.

Comment author: terasinube 28 February 2014 04:28:32PM 0 points [-]

Well... it depends on what you point at.

Love, as I view it is not something that can be easily defined. To me it's a way of being into this world. This video describes it.

As for emotions... why would anyone dislike the joy of figuring things out? the post flow feeling of accomplishment? They are wired into our positive reinforcement system and as long as the thing they are reinforcing is a thing worth investing in, why not let nature run its course?

In response to Rational Evangelism
Comment author: terasinube 26 February 2014 06:19:11PM 1 point [-]

A master was once unmoved by the complaints of his disciples that, though they listened with pleasure to his parables and stories, they were also frustrated for they longed for something deeper. To all their objections he would simply reply: "You have yet to understand, my friends, that the shortest distance between a human being and truth is a story."

You need a good story. That's all. A good story.

2 things come to my mind as examples:

The first one is about the past and comes from a novel called "Quo Vadis" which is about early christianity. There is a scene there where a roman guy searching a girl he wanted stumbles on a christians meeting and there was Peter retelling the story of Jesus. The power of his words as a living witness made the guy forget what he was looking for. Personal testimony is one huge attention grabber if is done right.

The second one is from Dune. Pardot Kynes, the planetologist, tells to the fremen the story of Arrakis could become and tells it so well that Uliet, the guy in charge of killing him chose to take his own life and with this self-sacrifice started the terraforming process.

So, what would a rational story be about? Health and Happiness sound like good bets. It should incorporate elements described by religious mysticism, stuff like Love, Joy, Strength, Peace, Trust, etc. It should position itself to the current effort to find common ground... like the Charter for Compassion. It should be about a long journey of discovering the power of love.

"What paralyzes life is lack of faith and lack of audacity. The difficulty lies not in solving problems but expressing them. And so we cannot avoid this conclusion: it is biologically evident that to gain control of passion and so make it serve spirit must be a condition of progress. Sooner or later, then, the world will brush aside our incredulity and take this step : because whatever is the more true comes out into the open, and whatever is better is ultimately realized. The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

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