Comment author: JonahSinick 20 May 2015 04:52:41AM *  8 points [-]

Thanks very much for the feedback.

I think the length was partially unnecessary

What would you cut out? The reason that I went into so much detail is that the information would have been so crucial for me personally, and that other readers may have similar issues.

and not just a reflection of me not being your target audience (I assume).

I'm curious why you that I'm not part of your target audience – feel free to elaborate.

The second is that you come across as exceedingly arrogant. I think you are attempting to explain your background so that we understand the situation. But you explicitly call yourself smarter than the typical reader of the site that you are posting this on. Ouch!

I might be oblivious, but I don't see where I called myself smarter than the typical LW reader ... the difference in intellectual sophistication between me and the average LWer comes primarily from how I spent my time growing up, not from a difference in innate ability. I spent tens of thousands of hours optimizing for developing my mathematical ability and epistemic rationality, and as far as I can tell, most LWers haven't.

My subjective sense is that what I'm saying is analogous to doctor saying "I spent 15 years training to be a doctor and practicing medicine" in response to somebody asking "why do you think that you know more about medicine than we do?"  

I know that I'm coming across arrogant, but I don't have an intuitive understanding of why I'm coming across as arrogant. I'd appreciate any insight and/or suggestions.

Comment author: tgb 20 May 2015 07:17:41PM 6 points [-]

I'm curious why you that I'm not part of your target audience – feel free to elaborate.

I'm not sure we understand each other here, but I'm assuming you want to know why I do not consider myself part of your target audience. I don't have a concrete answer here, it's just that I read this and thought it didn't apply to me. I had some of the same difficulties as you, but not in a way that I feel your advice would have applied or still does apply. I can think of a friend for whom some of your advice would probably apply, though, and imagine you are targeting him and not me.

I might be oblivious, but I don't see where I called myself smarter than the typical LW reader

This is what I take from: " I almost never went to Less Wrong meetups, because I had already thought about most of what people discussed, so that it was more efficient for me to learn on my own." and similar comments. I can see how you would take it as saying that you simply have already thought about that ahead of time and so you're not claiming to be smarter. (I've tried to explain that circumstance to people before myself.) But most people will take that to mean that you think you're too smart for them. Other comments suggest that this "most people" does not transfer to "most LW readers," though, so maybe I'm misplaced. This is also something that I thought could have been left out entirely. If you had to include this I would have suggested mollifying it a bit: make the problem seem to be yourself rather than others. Something like, "I struggled to find common ground to talk about even during LW meetups." This loses some specificity, but I'd play around with that kind of phrasing where you claim the fault is your own.

Another example would be something like describing yourself as "The guy who has deep insights but who doesn't get anything done, because he he's socially dysfunctional so nobody listens to him". This is a pretty big humble brag. If I wanted to say that to a typical person I might have said, "The guy who doesn't get anything done, no matter what insight he has, because he's socially dysfunctional so nobody listens to him." It's more cautious and definitely doesn't claim "deep insight" which is a phrase I'd reserve for describing someone else. You leave it up to the reader exactly how insightful you are implying yourself to be. It also changes the focus to your difficulty rather than the strength (which is demoted to an aside). I'm no writer though, so take this specific suggestion with a grain of salt.

Similarly for claims about deep insights from machine learning. Make the focus the difficulty you faced, not the deep insight you had. Maybe say, "I struggled even more after picking up machine learning jargon and modes of thought which I couldn't well articulate, even to my close friends."

Others have pointed out that you're also very humble throughout. I agree with them, too, and admire your ability to spell out your own failings. But people read "humble brag" mixed statements as primarily bragging. To you, it might seem really really significant that you were struggling, but that's not the focus people will read.

For the doctor analogy, I agree that that's what you're trying to say and I think you partly succeeded at that on one level. But on the other level, people will be turned off when you express expertise in areas where you do not have an obvious qualification. A doctor has a diploma to point to, and people are okay with that. A self-proclaimed student of medicine who had spent 15 years learning privately would be treated quite differently form the doctor. It's not a fair world! Had you been more specific I also might not have taken it like that, instead it seemed to be a blanket statement, like how an adult might say that all conversation with a child is tedious since the child just hasn't had any exposure to interesting ideas. Regardless of how factually true that is, the child could feel slighted.

This is all my take. Lumifer's response seems reasonable, too.

What would I have eliminated to make it shorter? It's a matter of taste, I suppose. I might have removed most of the part about how you grew up. I felt it could be summarized in a few sentences. But looking over this a second time, I think I may have clumped a lot of the things I thought came off as "arrogant" under the tag of "needs to be removed" and then interpreted that to mean that the article was too long. I'm sure it could be tightened up, but other than that growing up section there doesn't seem to be anything major. So take that complaint of mine lightly.

Ugh, I need to take my own advice and not write so much. Easier said than done.

Comment author: tgb 20 May 2015 02:00:55AM 4 points [-]

For example, if a student tells me that I'm the worst teacher he or she has ever had, it makes me feel bad because I feel like I'm not contributing value, but I'm not at all upset with the student: my attitude is that the student is conveying valuable information to me, and that I should be appreciative.

I'm tempted to take that as a Crocker's rule invocation. But I have realized that you wrote this for people-like-you, that is, after all, pretty much its explicit purpose. As such, I'm not sure I have an criticism that I can't definitively think is helpful.

Nonetheless, I want to point out two general things about this will make this hard post to read for most people. First is the length, and even in this you note that you spend too much time explaining something that you've worked on. I think the length was partially unnecessary and not just a reflection of me not being your target audience (I assume). The second is that you come across as exceedingly arrogant. I think you are attempting to explain your background so that we understand the situation. But you explicitly call yourself smarter than the typical reader of the site that you are posting this on. Ouch! But again, perhaps this is just a reflection of you having a very narrow target audience and for them this could read like a "ah, finally someone gets it!"

I hope that you take this to be useful, particularly for when you write for a wider audience. For what its worth, my mental post it note has you labelled as a user that I should pay attention to. I say that since I kind of suspect that you already know everything I just mentioned and aren't bad at overcoming these in other situations, but thought this worth saying explicitly given the context of trying to improve.

Comment author: shminux 16 February 2015 02:26:46AM *  1 point [-]

There seems to be a contradiction between the end-of-chapter weapon choice and the low magnitude of the sense of doom.

Comment author: tgb 16 February 2015 09:34:09PM 0 points [-]

We've gotten much less senses of doom with this encounter with Quirrell than any in the past as far as I can tell. Only Sprout's magic caused apprehension, Q not at all.

Was Quirrell in control of the sense of doom all along? Has something changed?

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 14 January 2015 01:06:33AM *  6 points [-]

It's not a good test unless the post gets promoted. I'm willing to bet that a lot of people check the promoted posts at Main, but don't bother to check New.

Also, some people might be sufficiently in favor to upvote both posts.

Comment author: tgb 16 January 2015 01:15:07PM 4 points [-]

I've been around for more than a couple years and had no idea there was a difference between Main and Promoted. I guess I check "new" for Main by using the side bar on the landing page but didn't pick up on the distinction.

Comment author: pianoforte611 09 January 2015 04:18:27AM 4 points [-]

Keep track of your spending. This is easy to do with an app such as Mint.

Related: save a fraction of your income and set up your bank account to do this automatically so there is never the temptation to skip a saving.

Comment author: tgb 11 January 2015 06:41:46PM 1 point [-]

I've been using Mint for a while and, honestly, I'm very unimpressed. You click on the "Trends" tab and what does it show you? A pie chart! Because that's obviously how you analyze your trends...

Actually I just went back there for the first time in a while and it's not as bad as I remembered if you're willing to muck around a bit. It does seem to hide the useful things under a few clicks and force you to do comparisons manually through filtering out certain categories instead of showing you them all at once, things like that. But it's still a lot better than going through a number of accounts. Also, you can type for suggestions when classifying things which is something I had missed before and was a major complaint, having to wander through their list looking for something. Still, though, I'd be open to suggestions for alternatives.

Comment author: tgb 16 December 2014 07:08:03PM 14 points [-]

I one time asked for advice here and the responses felt overly demeaning and presumptuous and largely ignored trying to help in favor of lambasting me for being in the situation at all. It was not a response I had been expecting and it made me feel bad and less likely to ask somewhat personal questions in the future. I don't think anyone replying was intending to cause me any harm and it wasn't a big deal in any sense of the word. But I felt disappointed with the outcome and the community.

I'm sure anyone sufficiently interested could find this out of my post history, but the details aren't particularly interesting. To a third party it probably won't seem like much at all, but at the time to me it wasn't a good feeling.

Comment author: Capla 14 November 2014 03:43:17AM 1 point [-]

The math of music

Comment author: tgb 14 November 2014 09:04:43PM 2 points [-]

The book Music and Mathematics is a bit of a jumble of essays from various people. It's not a coherent whole or anything, BUT, if you are the least bit interested in this subject I would strongly you recommend reading the first essay (i.e. chapter). A lot of "music theory" mumbles around circles of fifths and chord progressing and things with vague pretenses of being math, but that chapter includes the only fundamental mathematical idea in the entire book.

Conveniently that chapter, and some others, are here.

Comment author: tgb 07 November 2014 03:17:38AM 8 points [-]

Pretty cool! Also note that the NH House of Representatives is a massive body of 400 representatives, which is somewhat absurd considering how small NH is. Now we'll have to see if she can bring anything new to a land already full of unusual politics.

Comment author: ArisKatsaris 01 November 2014 03:43:09PM 1 point [-]

TV and Movies (Animation) Thread

Comment author: tgb 07 November 2014 02:38:07AM 0 points [-]

Boyhood is one of the better movies I've seen recently.

Comment author: tgb 14 August 2014 01:10:38AM 0 points [-]

Intelligence is INT while rationality is WIS.

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