I was under the impression that Doublethink involved contradictory ideas, Kurige seem to be talking about descriptions that are not inherently contradictory.

On the subject of not being able to update, I know of an anorexic who claims that even if she were rail-thin, she would be a fat person in a thin body. The knowledge of thinness does not affect the internal concept of self-fatness. (probably formed during childhood)

http://lesswrong.com/lw/r/no_really_ive_deceived_myself/gl I don't think I'd call my situation self deception. I am not making myself "believe the sky is green by an act of will." Rather, something in me says the sky is green, and is not dependent on observations of the sky at all.

No matter how much you're committed to updating your map, you'll face a conundrum when you realize you should have made your map round, and that's not something that you can trivially change about your map. You can understand and minimize the distortions, and use different projections in different situations, but you might always be stuck with a flat map. Knowing the territory is round doesn't change the experience you have of looking at a flat map.

A phrase like trying to see my way clear to should be a giant red flag. If you're trying to accept something then you must have some sort of motivation. If you have the motivation to accept something because you actually believe it is true, then you've already accepted it. If you have that motivation for some other reason, then you're deceiving yourself.

A troll seems more likely than the odds of us having a real, live Protestant Christian here... I've never heard of one making it very far on OB. The idea of Christians trying to read OB is a joke to me -- it must seem like crazy gibberish to them.