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Comment author: NancyLebovitz 12 April 2016 03:20:02PM -2 points [-]

Rust, a video game, has a veil of ignorance

After you've had a character for a while, gender is imposed randomly and permanently.

Comment author: vision5 27 April 2016 05:39:31AM 1 point [-]

Ah, yes. The "we hate our customers" school of game design.

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Comment author: Elo 12 April 2016 11:05:01PM 0 points [-]

Can I take the credit for writing things I did not write? Cause that would be sweet.

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Comment author: vision5 27 April 2016 05:38:46AM 0 points [-]

Only if you're also willing to take the blame for writing stupid things you did not write.

Comment author: Lumifer 13 April 2016 12:58:17AM -1 points [-]

What are you revealing them based on?

Actual behaviour. Repeated actual behaviour while being quite aware of the consequences.

many of them feel

What, you believe SJW's "statistics" now about who feels what? X-)

Comment author: vision5 27 April 2016 05:38:03AM 0 points [-]

What, you believe SJW's "statistics" now about who feels what? X-)

Well, what's your explanation for why they retroactively declare it "rape"?

Comment author: gjm 12 April 2016 07:24:53PM -2 points [-]

there were a lot fewer instances of women getting that drunk

That might well be true, but I doubt it was because of the no-sex-before-marriage rule.

Comment author: vision5 27 April 2016 05:37:07AM 0 points [-]

Having an explicit no-sex-before-marriage rule, means that "it's likely to lead to premarital sex" is a good reason not to do something, like not having a party where people of mixed company will get very drunk together.

Comment author: vision5 27 April 2016 05:35:50AM 0 points [-]

(Originally posted by Lumifer)

like not having a party where people of mixed company will get very drunk together.

Could lead to dancing :-/

Reminds me of Mencken's definiton of Puritanism: "The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy"...

Comment author: vision5 27 April 2016 05:36:08AM 0 points [-]

Could lead to dancing :-/

Depends on how much alcohol is involved.

Reminds me of Mencken's definiton of Puritanism: "The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy"...

Except these hook-ups do not make people happy, as judging by the subsequent developments.

Thread continues here.

Comment author: vision5 27 April 2016 05:35:25AM 0 points [-]

But I bet a no-sex-until-marriage norm was quite effective in making it harder for women to say they'd been raped. Not for the stranger-leaping-out-of-a-bush sort of rape. But for the sort that I think is much more common on college campuses, where someone gets you too drunk

If you actually look at what happened, there were a lot fewer instances of women getting that drunk. Not to mention there would be a lot few "find someone to sleep with at the end"-type parties.

Comment author: vision5 27 April 2016 05:35:50AM 0 points [-]

(Originally posted by Lumifer)

like not having a party where people of mixed company will get very drunk together.

Could lead to dancing :-/

Reminds me of Mencken's definiton of Puritanism: "The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy"...

Comment author: gjm 11 April 2016 12:55:04PM *  -1 points [-]

I don't know what fraction of women attending college are victims of rape there now -- for reasons already aired by others in this thread, the figures often quoted don't seem terribly trustworthy. But I doubt that an official no-sex-before-marriage norm, as such, makes much difference.

Explicit social norms of this kind notoriously make less difference than you might think. (Warning: most of the things below are single studies which could be wrong or misleading in all kinds of ways; but I know of no reason to expect them all to be wrong in the same direction.)

But I bet a no-sex-until-marriage norm was quite effective in making it harder for women to say they'd been raped. Not for the stranger-leaping-out-of-a-bush sort of rape. But for the sort that I think is much more common on college campuses, where someone gets you too drunk to resist or slips drugs into your drink or just declines to stop when you say "look, this feels very nice but I really don't want to go any further" -- well, with those social norms in place you can't tell that sort of story without getting labelled a Bad Girl, in which case you lose even if your story is believed.

Comment author: vision5 27 April 2016 05:35:25AM 0 points [-]

But I bet a no-sex-until-marriage norm was quite effective in making it harder for women to say they'd been raped. Not for the stranger-leaping-out-of-a-bush sort of rape. But for the sort that I think is much more common on college campuses, where someone gets you too drunk

If you actually look at what happened, there were a lot fewer instances of women getting that drunk. Not to mention there would be a lot few "find someone to sleep with at the end"-type parties.

Comment author: ChristianKl 09 April 2016 09:40:43PM *  1 point [-]

If this is true, shouldn't activists support shutting down most colleges?

Only if they believe the situation outside of colleges is different.

Comment author: vision5 27 April 2016 05:34:53AM 0 points [-]

And look what's happening in places where an actual rape culture develops, e.g., the parts of Europe most affected by the migrant crisis. Ok, many feminists are doing the best to deny what's going on so as not to be "Islamophobic", but aside from that. Politicians are advising women to dress extremely modestly and not go out alone at night without male escort. Swimming pols are creating women only hours, trains are acquiring women-only cars.