Comment author: pedanterrific 26 March 2012 07:51:48AM 2 points [-]

I don't understand what you mean. Harry believes she was FMC'd into obsessing over Draco and believing he was plotting to kill her. That's quite sufficient to drive her to murder, without it actually being her fault.

Comment author: wirov 26 March 2012 08:09:02AM *  1 point [-]

He also believes that performing the Blood-Cooling Charm was a false memory. (At least that's how I understand the following quotes from ch. 79.) I'll admit however, that the evidence is not as clear as I thought, when I wrote the previous comment.

"Draco didn't do anything, Hermione didn't do anything, they were both False-Memory-Charmed!" Harry Potter's voice had been rising on the last words. "How is that not BLOODY OBVIOUS?"

[…]

"Ah!" Harry said suddenly. "I get it now. The first False Memory Charm was cast on Hermione after Professor Snape yelled at her, and showed, say, Draco and Professor Snape plotting to kill her. Then last night that False Memory was removed by Obliviation, leaving behind the memories of her obsessing about Draco for no apparent reason, at the same time she and Draco were given false memories of the duel."

Comment author: pedanterrific 26 March 2012 06:24:35AM 1 point [-]

What makes you sure that Hermione didn't stun and Blood-Chill Draco herself?

Comment author: wirov 26 March 2012 07:43:53AM 1 point [-]

If it were, one could argue that Harry's certainty re: the false-memory charm deliberately fools the reader.

Comment author: AspiringKnitter 25 March 2012 07:41:35PM 10 points [-]

Even if the duel lasted only a few minutes and everything was over by, say, 12:10 or 12:20, that would mean Quirrel only waited six hours and 13-23 minutes, depending. Could even be deliberate-- an attempt to throw suspicion off himself by making the timing not quite perfect.

On the other hand, if I take "he's only three minutes late" as evidence that he did it, and "he's more than three minutes late" as evidence that he did it, I'm violating a principle of rationality.

I think he had something to do with it anyway.

Comment author: wirov 25 March 2012 11:02:08PM *  12 points [-]

On the other hand, if I take "he's only three minutes late" as evidence that he did it, and "he's more than three minutes late" as evidence that he did it, I'm violating a principle of rationality.

If you take "he's just a few minutes late" as strong evidence that he did it, "he's quite a while late" as weak evidence that he did it and "he's early" as very strong evidence that he did not do it, this violation disappears.

Comment author: DanArmak 25 March 2012 04:50:48PM 4 points [-]

Look at results, though. Until whatever it was happened ten years ago, Voldemort was winning the war with those tactics.

Comment author: wirov 25 March 2012 07:23:56PM 2 points [-]

Modulo Harry, those tactics were good enough – no doubt about that. But were they optimal?

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 25 March 2012 02:00:24PM 1 point [-]

Also Ch. 77:

"As to that," said Professor Quirrell, sounding bored again, "I stole it months ago, and left a fake in its place. But thank you kindly for asking."

"You're lying," said Severus Snape after a pause.

"Yes, I am."

I'm guessing what Quirrell lied about is that it was months ago, rather than just about one month ago...

Comment author: wirov 25 March 2012 02:52:09PM 10 points [-]

I assumed they were referring to the Philosopher's Stone, which (at least in canon) is hidden in the third floor corridor.

Comment author: wirov 25 March 2012 01:25:04PM 10 points [-]

Short detour back to chapter 79, to look closely at the night's events:

At midnight, Draco and Hermine meet for the duel. (Let's assume they did have a duel, because implanting very believable (but still false) memories into both of their brains would take about twice the time of the duel and would thus be unnecessary work.) Let's assume that the duell takes about 15 to 20 minutes, so it's now 12:20am. Enter Mister X. Mister X stuns Draco, implants false memories (< 1 min) into Hermione's brain of her doing the Blood-Cooling Charm, and finally performs the Blood-Cooling Charm on Draco in a way to make sure he survives for >6 hours. Mister X is back in his room at 12:30am and needs to wait 6 hours (plus epsilon) until all traces leading to him have vanished.

And guess what:

At 6:33am, Quirinus Quirrell had Flooed St. Mungo's from his office for immediate pickup of Draco Malfoy.

Some Bayesian updating on P(Quirrell did it | Quirrell found Draco at 6:33am) tells us that this increases the probability of "Quirrell did it" by a quite noticeable amount.

OTOH, I'm not sure whether it would be okay to just do the math, without taking into account the possibility that Eliezer chose that time deliberately to steer us in a certain direction. Any thoughts on that?

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