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Interested! Unsure how I'll use it; will need to play around with it to figure that out. But in general, I like asking questions while reading things to stay engaged and I'm very interested to see how it goes with an LLM that's loaded up with LW context.

3Ruby
Added!

Re the first #3, Jason Yuan and Sam Whitmore just released Dot today, an AI assistant with longterm memory.

What fiction, if any, have you found to be compelling in the recent years of your life? (And do you have a sense of what made it compelling?)

As an aside: I'm curious if you've read The Waves by Virginia Woolf, and if so, what you thought of it.

2romeostevensit
Haven't read The Waves, will check it out. I mostly find things like Project Hail Mary still entertaining, ie borderline rationalist fic where the main character is portrayed as deliberating. Once you start noticing how no one discusses options in most fiction it makes a lot of it difficult to stomach.

Robin taught me the tool of "take lots of liveblogging notes".

aw, a little h/t to me. 

Just to note, I'd describe the thing I suggested differently: 

(mostly I'm going to write this for my own clarity)

your goal at the time of my suggestion was [learning about transformers], and you were primarily just reading and occasionally taking notes seemingly-for-memory (like writing down key concepts). It seemed to me that to "be in touch with the territory" of learning,  you should be watching your learning process, ie the felt-sense of the building of... (read more)

Perhaps you are thinking of this (i think) autobiographical essay by Tim Rogers? He also talks about it in his 5th chapter of his boku no natsuyasumi review.

I have an exercise that might help with the phenomenological snapshot (though it's getting at a slightly different thing). Less about examining all sense data available, and more about examining what concepts/shapes are currently salient/present (which may include lower level perceptions as well, if that is the kind of thing that is most salient). I wonder if it might be a little easier.

(Hmu if you're down to try it out? I'd like to run it some more before solidifying it in writing.)

4Raemon
Yeah I'd be interested in trying it. (following up in DM I guess?)

To bring up a specific instance of this kind of problem: that lw post on open/active curiosity absolutely devastated my ability to think about curiosity for no less than a month. Every time I'd prompt myself to think about curiosity, my thoughts would flow toward the "open/active" concept shapes; I didn't know how to stop it (and I very much wanted to stop it. I was frustrated, found the shapes of to be misconfigured, a poor fit. I couldn't access my previous thought configurations on the topic, as they were temporarily overwritten). 

The only defense ... (read more)

Reading this, I remembered my usual reaction to what you call "setting the zero-point", which serves as a pretty good defense spell. (I don’t normally think of it as a defense; it's just my go-to lens that I apply to most conversations that help me care about them at all). 

My reaction is to identify and name the thing that the person seems to care about that’s behind the setting the zero-point.  You could call it “Name The Value” (though "value" is kind of a loaded term, imo). 

(this move is also available when anyone is complaining about any... (read more)

I like where your mind is at here, particularly that you’re gesturing at the want for vocabulary.

Further questions: 

Where does vocabulary even come from? How does it get made? What’s the process of creating new words for a field? Is observation actually dependent on having relevant vocabulary? What is a new concept made of?

What if you want to make progress in a new field that has no vocab yet? (How do you even know there's a place to explore if no vocab exists yet? How is it found?)

5Phil Scadden
To me vocabulary (which I think is a brain shortcut to a category/concept) is a big help in seeing. I read "Landmarks" (Robert MacFarlane) which was about specialised vocabularies and I enjoyed some of the odd words. One was "smeuse" - a hole in hedge or fence made by repeated passage of animals. The thing is, once I had read about it, I suddenly started noticing them. But to your question as where do the words come from? The vocabularies in Landmarks come from specialised needs of people in particular environments. Peat-diggers need more specialised words to describe peat bogs to survive and proper.  So observation does proceed vocabulary. Science is full of it -every field has to develop of specialized vocab to communicate observation. But once there is a vocab, then its strongly assists observation. Can this hinder seeing? Yes, that too. The brain will take whatever shortcut it can and schemata will miss plenty when the brain has more urgent things to do. Watson's excuse for the not knowing the no. of stairs would be that he never needed to - he had more important things to think about. But I think there are ways to employ both. Early in my career, I had do a fair amount of mudlogging from coal exploration wells - a boring but vital job. We had a standardized vocabulary for describing what we saw that was structured into a list. Working your way through it, metre by metre, kept you observing what was important even when bored out of your skull. And at the end of list  was - "what is different?". A key to make a novel observation that was outside the parameters of the list.
4LoganStrohl
As a relatively non-verbal person, I always feel like someone is walking upside down with legs sticking out of their head when they make claims about vocabulary being necessary for things besides talking to each other. There must be quite the inferential gap here. Wh... Whyy? Why would having vocabulary for the observation be important to making a good observation? Maybe you mean something I'm not expecting by "good"? Or by "vocabulary"? I also don't understand "Making good observations seems very dependent on what we are looking for". Do you mean something like, "Whether or not we deem an observation to be 'good' depends on why we're making observations, since 'goodness' only exists in relation to goals?" Perhaps I just somehow completely don't understand this comment at all. But I guess Robin did? I wonder what Robin heard.

The link to the book in the first paragraph is broken, and it's not clear which book by Richards Heuer you're referring to - could you add the title?

3Davidmanheim
Link fixed, and title added. (If you didn't have another reason to dislike the CIA, they broke the link by moving it. Jerks.)
Answer by RobinGoins
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I want to write up a more detailed post eventually, but the gist is that understanding Polyvagal Theory is an exceptional multiplier on all the charisma and social skill books you could read. It is the underlying *why* the tips and tricks work, what you should be aiming for, etc. It's the building block to make your own social skill tips and tricks from first principles. So,

First, watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br8-qebjIgs.

To really grok it, I recommend following with listening to the Polyvagal Podcast - start from the beginning.

For the ... (read more)

3mesaoptimizer
I just encountered polyvagal theory and I share your enthusiasm for how useful it is for modeling other people and oneself.

This is aligned with my thoughts on the importance of narratives, especially personal narratives.

The best therapists are experts at helping pull out your stories - they ask many, many questions and function as working memory, so you can better see the shapes of your stories and what levers exist to mold them differently.

(We have a word for those who tell stories - storyteller - but do we have a word for experts at pulling stories out of others?)