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More like a statement, rather than an argument. 

Answer by Gitdes50

Socializing in general might be somewhat overlooked, but especially going out of your usual social circle, as I expect many readers to match the stereotype of an aspie that hangs out with other aspies.

This can of course backfire, but if we talking "may not have considered strongly enough" - that one is worth considering imo.

3celeste
Are there ways to ease the transition for someone who is socially anxious or never interacts with non-aspies?

You mean consequences not limited by possible financial gain?

1Randomized, Controlled
Probably both.

Not sure, sounds like you'd still have to recognize the expertise in this package, or of a package-creator. There are benefits, what I was saying is you don't have to wait for it.

Maybe I'm missing something but your wish can be fulfilled by hiring those different specialists separately (which is likely to be better than a bundle anyway).

4Stefan De Young
Yes. But I'm not sure that I have the expertise to recognize the expertise of all of the different specialists. I need to tap into some network that has already credibly sorted the experts. The expertise of the package deal may be more legible?

Four arguments you start with also have "heres what I think other people should do" in common. If someone is deciding on whether or not use drugs or whether or not to exercise they will not miss the "fun" and "sucks" parts you point out below. When you Hanson out the "real" goal of saying something like that it's not strange at all, altho it might be explaining away too much, I'm not sure.

Is "Armored train" being there related to you watching AoT?

2gwern
No; I've only seen the first season of AoT, if there are armored trains in the rest I am unaware of that. It's actually from someone on either DSL or Naval Gazing, I think, linking to a short history of Zaamurets which is patchy but interesting in its own right.

Thats what I meant ofc.

Imo the idea of butterfly effect carries (for most people) the same confusion as the idea of free will.

Not because it removes the illusion of meaning, but because it makes you sound less cool. I'm thinking of conversations here, in solitary thinking it wouldn't make much difference imo.

Tbh switching from using "unhealthy" to "bad" can help cause it removes any trace of sophistication, thereby making this kind of usage less rewarding.

1cistran
or, you could use unhealthy only to mean things which are likely to decrease your health (mental health included)
2Raemon
Are you saying it's better to say "bad" than "unhealthy?" (because it removes the illusion of meaning?)

I would love to see "life advice" that anyone here found valuable coming from people who are far from lw/startup/science/math/programming fields or from any "out" enough outgroup.

1arxhy
Seconded.

Something I started looking for just today, and here it is, thank you. I noticed when I stop using most of the addictive things my habit of clicking on bookmarks slowly shifts to sites that don't give me any sort of fix (like checking weather) aside from the act of clicking itself. It feels rly dumb and this looks like a good potential remedy.

(ie., costing around $1B at current costs)

I’d be inclined to update that downwards, maybe an order of magnitude or so (for a total cost of ~$10-100B). Given hardware improvements in the next 5-10 years, I would expect that to fall further to ~$1-10B.

Am I reading it wrong or is there a typo?

2Lukas Finnveden
Not a typo, but me being ambiguous. When I wrote about updating "it" downward, I was referring to my median estimate of 5-6 orders of magnitude. I've now added a dollar cost to that ($100B-$1T), hopefully making it a bit more clear.

>perhaps a social stigma can develop
Social stigmas get traction via contempt, so that sounds promising.

Alcohol can damage some touchscreens, dunno about those public ones. The other problem might be that you'd be drying your hands more often.